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hardwood wrote:Europeans are getting healthier while our cars are killing us due to lack of exercise that leads to obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc...   In some of these European and American cities people actually live and work downtown so there's no need to have a car, and in fact having one is an expense because of parking.
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Njunge wrote:murchr wrote:[quote=hardwood]
@hardwood where can you cycle in Nairobi? Apart from Muthaiga all other shopping centers/estates have been invaded by people from Kiambu and Forthall counties hawking their wares. These people will tell you they have a right to do business whenever there's space and not pay county rates, which in turn are supposed to maintain these bike lanes and foot paths. If you cannot address that big issue, stop dreaming of living the amsterdam life in Nairobi I recently drove from Isiolo to Merille. Its about 140 Kms and right from the outskirts of Isiolo town (Kambi Garba), the land is flat and expansive on both sides except for an occasional hill here and there. In the entire journey, i think i only saw a couple of Manyattas. Not more than 50 in total. The country is beautiful. The air is virgin. I found myself thinking, so if i dropped here and built a bungalow on a 10 acre piece, who would ask me? Who would even note? I guess land here wouldn't cost more than Kshs 1000 bob an acre (kidding).......Right now, land prices in Nairobi are ridiculous and that's how we have found ourselves on those small things you call an 1/8th mburoti and apartments. I fear soon, you will see hawkers in the streets selling plots in paper bags (Shouldn't sub-division of land to such ridiculous measures be banned?).............I keep asking myself why we all want to out-space ourselves and fit in one settlement called Nairobi. Must we? I think the 1/8 issue is the biggest problem we have around. Can this be passed as a bylaw or city ordinance? Would you happen to know how they are handling this at Tatu city? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,936
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murchr wrote:Njunge wrote:murchr wrote:[quote=hardwood]
@hardwood where can you cycle in Nairobi? Apart from Muthaiga all other shopping centers/estates have been invaded by people from Kiambu and Forthall counties hawking their wares. These people will tell you they have a right to do business whenever there's space and not pay county rates, which in turn are supposed to maintain these bike lanes and foot paths. If you cannot address that big issue, stop dreaming of living the amsterdam life in Nairobi I recently drove from Isiolo to Merille. Its about 140 Kms and right from the outskirts of Isiolo town (Kambi Garba), the land is flat and expansive on both sides except for an occasional hill here and there. In the entire journey, i think i only saw a couple of Manyattas. Not more than 50 in total. The country is beautiful. The air is virgin. I found myself thinking, so if i dropped here and built a bungalow on a 10 acre piece, who would ask me? Who would even note? I guess land here wouldn't cost more than Kshs 1000 bob an acre (kidding).......Right now, land prices in Nairobi are ridiculous and that's how we have found ourselves on those small things you call an 1/8th mburoti and apartments. I fear soon, you will see hawkers in the streets selling plots in paper bags (Shouldn't sub-division of land to such ridiculous measures be banned?).............I keep asking myself why we all want to out-space ourselves and fit in one settlement called Nairobi. Must we? I think the 1/8 issue is the biggest problem we have around. Can this be passed as a bylaw or city ordinance? Would you happen to know how they are handling this at Tatu city? Was driven from Nairobi to Marsabit. Between Isiolo & Marsabit the unoccupied land on the 'highway' before you go inside is crazy. Nairobi & suburbs is a big raw deal & conmanship. Doing some retirement place in 043 (10 acres) wacha tu. I will start a thread on that soon. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Njunge wrote:murchr wrote:[quote=hardwood]
@hardwood where can you cycle in Nairobi? Apart from Muthaiga all other shopping centers/estates have been invaded by people from Kiambu and Forthall counties hawking their wares. These people will tell you they have a right to do business whenever there's space and not pay county rates, which in turn are supposed to maintain these bike lanes and foot paths. If you cannot address that big issue, stop dreaming of living the amsterdam life in Nairobi I recently drove from Isiolo to Merille. Its about 140 Kms and right from the outskirts of Isiolo town (Kambi Garba), the land is flat and expansive on both sides except for an occasional hill here and there. In the entire journey, i think i only saw a couple of Manyattas. Not more than 50 in total. The country is beautiful. The air is virgin. I found myself thinking, so if i dropped here and built a bungalow on a 10 acre piece, who would ask me? Who would even note? I guess land here wouldn't cost more than Kshs 1000 bob an acre (kidding).......Right now, land prices in Nairobi are ridiculous and that's how we have found ourselves on those small things you call an 1/8th mburoti and apartments. I fear soon, you will see hawkers in the streets selling plots in paper bags (Shouldn't sub-division of land to such ridiculous measures be banned?).............I keep asking myself why we all want to out-space ourselves and fit in one settlement called Nairobi. Must we? I think the 1/8 issue is the biggest problem we have around. Can this be passed as a bylaw or city ordinance? Would you happen to know how they are handling this at Tatu city? Was driven from Nairobi to Marsabit. Between Isiolo & Marsabit the unoccupied land on the 'highway' before you go inside is crazy. Nairobi & suburbs is a big raw deal & conmanship. Doing some retirement place in 043 (10 acres) wacha tu. I will start a thread on that soon. We still have chunks is land in HB? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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murchr wrote:simonkabz wrote:murchr wrote:hardwood wrote:Europeans are getting healthier while our cars are killing us due to lack of exercise that leads to obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc... @hardwood where can you cycle in Nairobi? Apart from Muthaiga all other shopping centers/estates have been invaded by people from Kiambu and Forthall counties hawking their wares. These people will tell you they have a right to do business whenever there's space and not pay county rates, which in turn are supposed to maintain these bike lanes and foot paths. If you cannot address that big issue, stop dreaming of living the amsterdam life in Nairobi There is nowhere to cycle in Nairobi because for starters, there's no supporting infrastructure. There is limited or no infrastructure either, for walking on. Hustlers compete dangerously on narrow roads with motorists. Build the infrastructure, worry about humans and their peculiarities later. Kwani hao hawkers wamewekwa hapo na simiti? Thika Babayao alifukuza hawkers, Joho did the same in Mombasa. Humans can be managed. Matatu drivers can be managed. You've suggested we stop building roads because they will be clogged anyway, we dont build side walks and cycling tracks coz hawkers will invade.......si basi useme we shouldnt eat coz we will get hungry anyway ..... Na si unapenda lame excuses, ama you're just a lazy thinker??? Oh, ni bangi  There's no where to build anything in Nairobi, You will be lucky if you make it to Karura to cycle . Step out of your cocoon. And you need a few puffs of pure bangi badly, to startup your brain. Maumivu yakizidi...muone daktari Hey blockhead, your posts are pitiful. Nairobi main road reserves range from at least 30 to 60 metres. That is 100 to 200ft and even more for highways. An ordinary 2-way carriageway is about 7 metres wide. Should I carry out the rest of calculations for you? There's more than enough space on the major link roads in Nairobi to put up a dual carriage road with 1.5m shoulders, drainage, cycling tracks and pedestrian walkways and leave sufficient space for other public amenities. Wewe nimekuwacha kwa maombi sasa, you're clearly a very dense fellow with very low standards and probably very limited exposure. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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simonkabz wrote:Hey blockhead, your posts are pitiful. Nairobi main road reserves range from at least 30 to 60 metres. That is 100 to 200ft and even more for highways. An ordinary 2-way carriageway is about 7 metres wide. Should I carry out the rest of calculations for you? There's more than enough space on the major link roads in Nairobi to put up a dual carriage road with 1.5m shoulders, drainage, cycling tracks and pedestrian walkways and leave sufficient space for other public amenities.
Wewe nimekuwacha kwa maombi sasa, you're clearly a very dense fellow with very low standards and probably very limited exposure. Are you sure that is an applied standard? If I look at Haileselassie Uhuru Highway I dont see any 30-60meter road reserve. Hailesellasie.  But, well fair enough - If you believe these link roads have 30-60 meters of reserve i'll give this one to you.  Ring road parklands. If you ask me this will be a very tight dual carriage way with no room for expansion not even for a deck road, but this blockhead is not an engineer maybe they can dig up something   FACT. These link roads will still be full of traffic soon enough, if it will not be more matatus it will be more jalopies, motorbikes, tuktuks and pedestrians crossing allover. How long did it take before we saw that on Thika road and Ngong road? Apart from that roads are either built to include a bike lane or have signage warning or asking drivers to accommodate bikers. Walkways are for pedestrians, not hawkers or bikes. Now when you see these signs on Nairobi roads wake me up   Link roads are important but not the solution to the perennial traffic problem. Let me borrow your lingo "If I were Uhunye"  ..Id not throw any more money on roads in the city but put that in a tram system and as I said one running through outer ring road - Jogoo-Haileselasie -to community - Ngong would take away about 50% of the jalopies and matatus on the road. By the way I have to note that this blockhead has educated you just abit....yes the correct lingo is link road not feeder road, you also got introduced to the dallas high5 interchange see you learnt something new and FYI its not the greatest. Interchanges are better than roundabouts on highways. If drivers didnt stop at Nyayo, Hailesellasie, University-way, we'd not see the kind of traffic we experience day-in day out.Another thing, stop looking at India on an infrastructure perspective...they are worse than SA and kind of match us. Dandia the next trip to China utaona maajabu. Mwafrika tu ndio utharau mchina great things happening there. Nothing interesting is happening in EU as far as roads are concerned and N.A is trying to match China... Adios  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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SMH. Okay. Wacha tukae na vumbi na matope. FYI Uhuru highway reserve should be 60m or more Mombasa Rd section should be 90m minimum. Kazi ya macho. The built carriageway itself is over 30m wide. I'm no engineer but I think in another world, I would be. When it comes to these things I advise you don't comment. Stick to political threads and blogging. Remember the Masinga thread? I understand you may not want to be corrected but uko chini. A country cannot develop when people are living in clouds of dust, mud, raw free flowing sewage and heaps of gabbage. Did you see these in those places you CLAIM to have been to? China? Amsterdam? Have you ever been to Eastlands? Highways in the city are totally ineffective without feeder roads. Lastly, feeder roads, link roads, what's the difference and who cares? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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simonkabz wrote:SMH.
Okay. Wacha tukae na vumbi na matope.
FYI Uhuru highway reserve should be 60m or more Mombasa Rd section should be 90m minimum. Kazi ya macho. The built carriageway itself is over 30m wide.
I'm no engineer but I think in another world, I would be. When it comes to these things I advise you don't comment. Stick to political threads and blogging. Remember the Masinga thread? I understand you may not want to be corrected but uko chini.
A country cannot develop when people are living in clouds of dust, mud, raw free flowing sewage and heaps of gabbage. Did you see these in those places you CLAIM to have been to? China? Amsterdam? Have you ever been to Eastlands?
Highways in the city are totally ineffective without feeder roads.
Lastly, feeder roads, link roads, what's the difference and who cares? Surely a bangi person like must have found myself in Amsterdam right? Go back and read the Masinga dam thread slowly I think your problem is comprehension more than anything. If you look at Uhuru highway on the side parliament is located where can an additional lane be added there? KENHA also abandoned the plan to deck that road. I see you are contradicting yourself in one thread Nairobi is a very clean city, here vumbi mud bla bla, roads don't clean up cities, proper planning helps to do that. And honestly people choose to live like pigs. You only need to take a trip to Rwanda and see that even Africa can be clean. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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People live like pigs because your Govt has abandoned them. People cannot build roads by themselves, governments do. Kigali has been done by Kagame himself leading the people, not the ordinary man. The roads are very well done. Wewe umesema watu wakae kwa vumbi. I fail to understand how I have comprehension issues with your pedestrian arguments, maybe I do, I don't get what the heck you've been trying to say in this entire thread. By and large, I have wiped the floor with you. My very first 2 posts can withstand even the harshest critic. Tothi. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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simonkabz wrote:People live like pigs because your Govt has abandoned them. People cannot build roads by themselves, governments do.
Kigali has been done by Kagame himself leading the people, not the ordinary man. The roads are very well done. Wewe umesema watu wakae kwa vumbi. I fail to understand how I have comprehension issues with your pedestrian arguments, maybe I do, I don't get what the heck you've been trying to say in this entire thread.
By and large, I have wiped the floor with you. My very first 2 posts can withstand even the harshest critic.
Tothi. Roads are everywhere in Nairobi. We have more roads than Rwanda. Roads are not the solution that is what am simply saying if in those many posts you still haven't gotten it. A mass transport system needs to be set up eg tram, and that will ease the traffic. If you are waiting for govt to come clean your neighborhood you will WAIT. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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