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masukuma
#71 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:31:57 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Well.... I don't pick needless fights... I have to live with people. My friends and Famo wengi sana ni believers... like 95% or so. I don't want to lose them! So i sip my tea in very many things. Occasionally I prefer to argue by painting a picture on current reality! When @hamburgler was tishwad - I wondered... so watu wako south sudan saa hii wakiRape-iwa and Kuuwawa wamefanya nini? Kuna watu wamefungiwa kwa maContainer za joto outside Juba coz ni wa Nuer. Saa hii kuna watu wanapigwa na polisi huko Uganda and they were minding their own business. Saa hii allepo inapokea makombora kali kali! Saa hii kuna mtu mahali Syria anajiuliza... MUNGU NILIKUFANYIA NINI?
My thoughts - why tisha people with suffering? wale wanakipata pata wameDo? Suffering is for all of us... Endeleni na debate yenu!


Please present these data in graphical format!
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hiyo enda ukatafute hapa http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/...vsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf
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Angelica _ann
#72 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:07:59 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,937
masukuma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
[quote=masukuma]Well.... I don't pick needless fights... I have to live with people. My friends and Famo wengi sana ni believers... like 95% or so. I don't want to lose them! So i sip my tea in very many things. Occasionally I prefer to argue by painting a picture on current reality! When @hamburgler was tishwad - I wondered... so watu wako south sudan saa hii wakiRape-iwa and Kuuwawa wamefanya nini? Kuna watu wamefungiwa kwa maContainer za joto outside Juba coz ni wa Nuer. Saa hii kuna watu wanapigwa na polisi huko Uganda and they were minding their own business. Saa hii allepo inapokea makombora kali kali! Saa hii kuna mtu mahali Syria anajiuliza... MUNGU NILIKUFANYIA NINI?
My thoughts - why tisha people with suffering? wale wanakipata pata wameDo? Suffering is for all of us... Endeleni na debate yenu!


Please present these data in graphical format!
smile

hiyo enda ukatafute hapa http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/...sr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf[/quote]
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tycho
#73 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:18:14 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
masukuma wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Well.... I don't pick needless fights... I have to live with people. My friends and Famo wengi sana ni believers... like 95% or so. I don't want to lose them! So i sip my tea in very many things. Occasionally I prefer to argue by painting a picture on current reality! When @hamburgler was tishwad - I wondered... so watu wako south sudan saa hii wakiRape-iwa and Kuuwawa wamefanya nini? Kuna watu wamefungiwa kwa maContainer za joto outside Juba coz ni wa Nuer. Saa hii kuna watu wanapigwa na polisi huko Uganda and they were minding their own business. Saa hii allepo inapokea makombora kali kali! Saa hii kuna mtu mahali Syria anajiuliza... MUNGU NILIKUFANYIA NINI?
My thoughts - why tisha people with suffering? wale wanakipata pata wameDo? Suffering is for all of us... Endeleni na debate yenu!


lol.

If someone thwacks your face and you feel pain, or worse tortures you, then you die, God is the culprit? Why not that someone?

isn't that the point? Suffering comes from US!! or Nature! from this chaotic place we call the universe. suffering is a fact of life and existence. People are eaten, they eat! they die of diseases and related stuff. it's JUST HOW THINGS ARE! we live in a chaotic place! the reason you are suffering is because you are in the line of fire at that time... chance! chaos! probability... (this does not require your consent by the way... so "i believe blah blah" don't change it).


Are we really in a chaotic space? I can imagine this is a subjective experience or interpretation, and it's possible for one not to suffer. For suffering is dependent on relations, and relations can be changed.

Can we have a qaulitative or even quantitative difference is suffering? Why the difference?

Suffering is a myth we've reified.
tycho
#74 Posted : Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:21:24 PM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
tycho wrote:
What if, all these years of accumulating and writing Scripture have been periods in which succesive generations of humans have been inviting each other into some kind of conversation whose result is some kind of ultimate awakening?

The sharing of objective and method even despite difference in metaphor, and alas, the metaphors must be different, is this continuous conversation that has included all positions and perspectives.

Cultures have exchanged ideas, Gods, festivals, understandings... why?

Hey! Is someone 'awake' out there?

@Wakanyugi! Please come to my rescue!


lol

Wakanyugi is AWOL .... like some gods.

Perhaps if you plead with him a little more harder he will come.

lol.


I'm not sure that you're not @Wakanyugi.
Anti_Burglar
#75 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:18:08 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
masukuma wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Well.... I don't pick needless fights... I have to live with people. My friends and Famo wengi sana ni believers... like 95% or so. I don't want to lose them! So i sip my tea in very many things. Occasionally I prefer to argue by painting a picture on current reality! When @hamburgler was tishwad - I wondered... so watu wako south sudan saa hii wakiRape-iwa and Kuuwawa wamefanya nini? Kuna watu wamefungiwa kwa maContainer za joto outside Juba coz ni wa Nuer. Saa hii kuna watu wanapigwa na polisi huko Uganda and they were minding their own business. Saa hii allepo inapokea makombora kali kali! Saa hii kuna mtu mahali Syria anajiuliza... MUNGU NILIKUFANYIA NINI?
My thoughts - why tisha people with suffering? wale wanakipata pata wameDo? Suffering is for all of us... Endeleni na debate yenu!


lol.

If someone thwacks your face and you feel pain, or worse tortures you, then you die, God is the culprit? Why not that someone?

isn't that the point? Suffering comes from US!! or Nature! from this chaotic place we call the universe. suffering is a fact of life and existence. People are eaten, they eat! they die of diseases and related stuff. it's JUST HOW THINGS ARE! we live in a chaotic place! the reason you are suffering is because you are in the line of fire at that time... chance! chaos! probability... (this does not require your consent by the way... so "i believe blah blah" don't change it).


Then why does God get all the flak for suffering?
Anti_Burglar
#76 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:21:47 AM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
tycho wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
tycho wrote:
What if, all these years of accumulating and writing Scripture have been periods in which succesive generations of humans have been inviting each other into some kind of conversation whose result is some kind of ultimate awakening?

The sharing of objective and method even despite difference in metaphor, and alas, the metaphors must be different, is this continuous conversation that has included all positions and perspectives.

Cultures have exchanged ideas, Gods, festivals, understandings... why?

Hey! Is someone 'awake' out there?

@Wakanyugi! Please come to my rescue!


lol

Wakanyugi is AWOL .... like some gods.

Perhaps if you plead with him a little more harder he will come.

lol.


I'm not sure that you're not @Wakanyugi.


lol.
vky
#77 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:29:08 AM
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Joined: 6/17/2010
Posts: 572
I think human beings should always at the very minimum endeavor to understand that which they do not like or agree with, one would be led to think that atheists are a bunch of arrogant intolerant chauvinists if @hamburglar's and others who concur with his views are anything to go by.

@humburglar's breed of atheism is aptly referred to as, 'combative atheism' where you will hear such slogans as, 'if there is a God why does he let us suffer' or 'you religious people are stupid because you worship God', this kind of atheism which was made popular by the likes of Dr Richard Dawkins is shallow,lacks legitimacy and generally gives atheism a bad name but i will say this obiter, its a free world and we are all free to pick our desired poison.

The kind of atheism i concur with is the atheism of tolerance and constructive critique of all religious texts and practices without being condescending made popular in part by my favorite scholars the late Dr D M Murdock and Prof. Fransesca stavrakopoulou who is a professor of hebrew bible and ancient religion at the university of Exeter who is also an atheist and i have had the opportunity to attend a number of her public lectures on religion and God.(you can google their scholarly works)

when all is said and done, there is nothing and nothing is ether


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Angelica _ann
#78 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:41:29 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,937
What happens to those who die without knowing the existence of God, Jesus and Christianity 'the unreached' in their whole life???? Sad
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
masukuma
#79 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:55:13 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Well.... I don't pick needless fights... I have to live with people. My friends and Famo wengi sana ni believers... like 95% or so. I don't want to lose them! So i sip my tea in very many things. Occasionally I prefer to argue by painting a picture on current reality! When @hamburgler was tishwad - I wondered... so watu wako south sudan saa hii wakiRape-iwa and Kuuwawa wamefanya nini? Kuna watu wamefungiwa kwa maContainer za joto outside Juba coz ni wa Nuer. Saa hii kuna watu wanapigwa na polisi huko Uganda and they were minding their own business. Saa hii allepo inapokea makombora kali kali! Saa hii kuna mtu mahali Syria anajiuliza... MUNGU NILIKUFANYIA NINI?
My thoughts - why tisha people with suffering? wale wanakipata pata wameDo? Suffering is for all of us... Endeleni na debate yenu!


lol.

If someone thwacks your face and you feel pain, or worse tortures you, then you die, God is the culprit? Why not that someone?

isn't that the point? Suffering comes from US!! or Nature! from this chaotic place we call the universe. suffering is a fact of life and existence. People are eaten, they eat! they die of diseases and related stuff. it's JUST HOW THINGS ARE! we live in a chaotic place! the reason you are suffering is because you are in the line of fire at that time... chance! chaos! probability... (this does not require your consent by the way... so "i believe blah blah" don't change it).


Then why does God get all the flak for suffering?

Because of the narrative that he is there like father christmas... preventing us from suffering and making us live nice lives. mambo 'sawa sawa'...akiwa enzini!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#80 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2016 11:59:37 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Quite frankly i think religion has organized humans for the longest period of time. bila it we would be uncouth. the all watching eye in the sky and the promise of eternal pain if you displease the owner of the eye or eternal pleasure if you please him have kept humans working well. Morals do exist outside religion only with the understanding that we need to work together to make this place work. is religion coming towards the end of it's most productive use? in certain societies - yes. not in ours. it makes life palatable for the poor!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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