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Koffi Olomide Kicked *ss in JKIA, Nairobi
enyands
#71 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:40:40 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Justice is not one sided - it's 2 sided. That is what we miss. Was there an accuser? Was there a victim? did the victim testify? Did he take a plea? I have a feeling alikuwa anatafutwa that is why they had a kangaroo court to fry him. That is not swift justice - that is witchhunting/political. A crime needs an accuser.



Maybe he had a political connection to the opposition . There has to be something to it .Papawemba did lots of human trafficking to France and I think he was once prosecuted for it in France but never arrested in congo ,but he was in good books with the Kabilas and Mobutu.musicians should tread carefully in politics
masukuma
#72 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:50:38 PM
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Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Justice is not one sided - it's 2 sided. That is what we miss. Was there an accuser? Was there a victim? did the victim testify? Did he take a plea? I have a feeling alikuwa anatafutwa that is why they had a kangaroo court to fry him. That is not swift justice - that is witchhunting/political. A crime needs an accuser.



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Masukuma at it again. Posting for the sake of being contrarian and ending showing he is ill-informed.

You are completely wrong. Crime does not need an accuser. It just needs a witness or evidence. What if the accuser is incapacitated or too scared to press charges?

There are many cases where a person is charged even when the accuser refuses to testify or press charges. This is especially the case for domestic abuse.

Why would you need an accuser when the event was captured on video and happened in front of a dozen witnesses?


Victimless crimes are arbitrary dictates
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Alba
#73 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:37:31 PM
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I exposed maskuma's sheer ignorance so now his only resort is to post idiotic pictures. He has nothing intelligent to say on this thread.

Look men you can post more ujinga posters. But the fact remains that your statement below is completely bogus:

masukuma wrote:
. A crime needs an accuser.



Especially in cases of domestic abuse, a person can be convicted even when there is no accuser. The reason is that the battered person is typically afraid of pressing charges.

Here is an example of a man who was conviected of batterry even though his wife refused to testify

This applies to Koffi's dancer. She must be afraid of Koffi and she must have been coerced by Koffi to claim she was not attacked. Thats why she defended Koffi. But the fact that she is afriad to testify against Koffi should not stop the authorities from pursuing crimonal charges.

This is not just about Pamela. It is also about the other women that Koffi has abused and will abuse in the future if he is not punished.

Now rather than post childish pictures, how about showing wazuans that you have an ounce of intelligence and tell us why you statement is still correct.
masukuma
#74 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 9:19:03 PM
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Alba wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I exposed maskuma's sheer ignorance so now his only resort is to post idiotic pictures. He has nothing intelligent to say on this thread.

Look men you can post more ujinga posters. But the fact remains that your statement below is completely bogus:

masukuma wrote:
. A crime needs an accuser.



Especially in cases of domestic abuse, a person can be convicted even when there is no accuser. The reason is that the battered person is typically afraid of pressing charges.

Here is an example of a man who was conviected of batterry even though his wife refused to testify

This applies to Koffi's dancer. She must be afraid of Koffi and she must have been coerced by Koffi to claim she was not attacked. Thats why she defended Koffi. But the fact that she is afriad to testify against Koffi should not stop the authorities from pursuing crimonal charges.

This is not just about Pamela. It is also about the other women that Koffi has abused and will abuse in the future if he is not punished.

Now rather than post childish pictures, how about showing wazuans that you have an ounce of intelligence and tell us why you statement is still correct.

I need to get a refund - they told me that spray will work for 4 hours!
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enyands
#75 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 9:21:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Alba wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

I exposed maskuma's sheer ignorance so now his only resort is to post idiotic pictures. He has nothing intelligent to say on this thread.

Look men you can post more ujinga posters. But the fact remains that your statement below is completely bogus:

masukuma wrote:
. A crime needs an accuser.



Especially in cases of domestic abuse, a person can be convicted even when there is no accuser. The reason is that the battered person is typically afraid of pressing charges.

Here is an example of a man who was conviected of batterry even though his wife refused to testify

This applies to Koffi's dancer. She must be afraid of Koffi and she must have been coerced by Koffi to claim she was not attacked. Thats why she defended Koffi. But the fact that she is afriad to testify against Koffi should not stop the authorities from pursuing crimonal charges.

This is not just about Pamela. It is also about the other women that Koffi has abused and will abuse in the future if he is not punished.

Now rather than post childish pictures, how about showing wazuans that you have an ounce of intelligence and tell us why you statement is still correct.

I need to get a refund - they told me that spray will work for 4 hours!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Obi 1 Kanobi
#76 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:03:09 AM
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Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Justice is not one sided - it's 2 sided. That is what we miss. Was there an accuser? Was there a victim? did the victim testify? Did he take a plea? I have a feeling alikuwa anatafutwa that is why they had a kangaroo court to fry him. That is not swift justice - that is witchhunting/political. A crime needs an accuser.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Masukuma at it again. Posting for the sake of being contrarian and ending showing he is ill-informed.

You are completely wrong. Crime does not need an accuser. It just needs a witness or evidence. What if the accuser is incapacitated or too scared to press charges?

There are many cases where a person is charged even when the accuser refuses to testify or press charges. This is especially the case for domestic abuse.

Why would you need an accuser when the event was captured on video and happened in front of a dozen witnesses?


@Masukuma please quit. A criminal offense does not need an accuser, thats why its always state vs defendant. Alba is right, all thats needed is the video of his kicking his dancer. Whether the dancer cooperates with the prosecution is neither hear nor there. On the flip side, the state has no obligation to try all criminal offences, they can choose to prosecute or not to.

I hope you are not one of the people who encourage people in shags to settle criminal offences by "kutoa mbuzi"
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Anti_Burglar
#77 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:31:57 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Justice is not one sided - it's 2 sided. That is what we miss. Was there an accuser? Was there a victim? did the victim testify? Did he take a plea? I have a feeling alikuwa anatafutwa that is why they had a kangaroo court to fry him. That is not swift justice - that is witchhunting/political. A crime needs an accuser.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Masukuma at it again. Posting for the sake of being contrarian and ending showing he is ill-informed.

You are completely wrong. Crime does not need an accuser. It just needs a witness or evidence. What if the accuser is incapacitated or too scared to press charges?

There are many cases where a person is charged even when the accuser refuses to testify or press charges. This is especially the case for domestic abuse.

Why would you need an accuser when the event was captured on video and happened in front of a dozen witnesses?


@Masukuma please quit. A criminal offense does not need an accuser, thats why its always state vs defendant. Alba is right, all thats needed is the video of his kicking his dancer. Whether the dancer cooperates with the prosecution is neither hear nor there. On the flip side, the state has no obligation to try all criminal offences, they can choose to prosecute or not to.

I hope you are not one of the people who encourage people in shags to settle criminal offences by "kutoa mbuzi"



If I kill you and then you die and so that you, the one I have killed, cannot accuse me of killing you because you are dead, then I am alright and have not committed any crime? Enyewe kusema kweli hapo Masukuma amechimba sakafu and missed to kick the ball.
masukuma
#78 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:55:07 AM
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I guess it depends on regime then. The right to face your accuser is a common law practice - not sure about the french system (whether its even based on common law). Confronting your accuser protects the right of the defendant to cross examine a witness or the accuser. You cannot cross examine a video. The accuser need not be the victim (as in in the case of murder). Someone needs to point at the person who committed a crime - that was common law practice and the defendant should be able to ask questions. We may have changed the roots of our legal regime but the state needs to present an accuser - victim or not someone must take a witness stand.
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mkenyan
#79 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:49:16 AM
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masukuma wrote:
I guess it depends on regime then. The right to face your accuser is a common law practice - not sure about the french system (whether its even based on common law). Confronting your accuser protects the right of the defendant to cross examine a witness or the accuser. You cannot cross examine a video. The accuser need not be the victim (as in in the case of murder). Someone needs to point at the person who committed a crime - that was common law practice and the defendant should be able to ask questions. We may have changed the roots of our legal regime but the state needs to present an accuser - victim or not someone must take a witness stand.

it is true that a crime always need an accuser. where you get it wrong is the fact that the accuser is usually the state not the person wronged. that is why in several jurisdictions you can be charged with attempted suicide. you can never get away from it by refusing to 'accuse' yourself.

having said that, i agree with you that the speed with which this has seemingly (seemingly) been handled does not objectively show justice being done to him.
Njung'e
#80 Posted : Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:53:52 AM
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mkenyan wrote:
[quote=masukuma]
it is true that a crime always need an accuser. where you get it wrong is the fact that the accuser is usually the state not the person wronged. that is why in several jurisdictions you can be charged with attempted suicide. you can never get away from it by refusing to 'accuse' yourself.


eish!!!....Laughing out loudly .... quit @ Masukuma!smile .This is clearly not your turfsmile
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