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#71 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2016 9:54:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
I believe advances in philosophy of mind and AI will help us and our descendants get answers even on the identity of God and belief. By mapping out how our minds work and testing these ideas practically we'll be able to use familiar tools like logic to figure out the questions that seem to disturb as now, much like @creativekaggs 'Einstein puzzles' demanded logic.

http://www.theguardian.c...ntelligence-intuititive


The A.I. anxiety

The mind is more symbolic than it is logical. Logic is a tool but also a symbol of security.

Why do we need to figure anything out and why does it disturb us? We can rationalize it any way we want or believe anything we want. There are numerous answers to numerous questions of our own making but what is evident is the need or desire to respond to a question. The question is,what is the question?


Logic is the manipulation of symbols according to prescribed rules or patterns. The mind is the manipulating space.

The question to be asked is a function of intelligence. That is, intelligence determines the question.


I didn't say there was a question or an intelligent 'asker'.
tycho
#72 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:16:36 AM
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¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
¿ wrote:
tycho wrote:
I believe advances in philosophy of mind and AI will help us and our descendants get answers even on the identity of God and belief. By mapping out how our minds work and testing these ideas practically we'll be able to use familiar tools like logic to figure out the questions that seem to disturb as now, much like @creativekaggs 'Einstein puzzles' demanded logic.

http://www.theguardian.c...ntelligence-intuititive


The A.I. anxiety

The mind is more symbolic than it is logical. Logic is a tool but also a symbol of security.

Why do we need to figure anything out and why does it disturb us? We can rationalize it any way we want or believe anything we want. There are numerous answers to numerous questions of our own making but what is evident is the need or desire to respond to a question. The question is,what is the question?


Logic is the manipulation of symbols according to prescribed rules or patterns. The mind is the manipulating space.

The question to be asked is a function of intelligence. That is, intelligence determines the question.


I didn't say there was a question or an intelligent 'asker'.


You didn't have to say it.
harrydre
#73 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 2:09:29 AM
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Maybe the starting point should be does the soul exist?

C & P

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Published on Nov 6, 2012
A pair of world-renowned quantum scientists says they can prove the existence of the soul. American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells. Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks". Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger have been working on the theory since 1996. They argue that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules - a process they call orchestrated objective reduction. In a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Or in layman's terms, the soul does not die but returns to the universe. Dr Hameroff explained the theory at length in the Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary Through the Wormhole, which was recently aired in the US by the Science Channel. The quantum soul theory is now trending worldwide, thanks to stories published this week by The Huffington Post and the Daily Mail, which have generated thousands of readers comments and social media shares. "Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state," Dr Hameroff said. "The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. 'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".' In the event of the patient's death, it was "possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body indefinitely - as a soul".
Dr Hameroff believes new findings about the role quantum physics plays in biological processes, such as the navigation of birds, adds weight to the theory.
I found this information very interesting I am not a great lover of the 'documentary Through the Wormhole' but Sir Roger Penrose work is always very mathematical and logical!
The rest of this video explains an artist theory on the physics of light and time as a physical process, in this theory consciousness is the most advanced part of a universal process. I believe it should be possible to explain everything by physics and science.
Maybe one day we will be able to explain the soul by physics and science and religion will be one! For this we will need an objective understanding of our Universe and our place within it.
i.am.back!!!!
Anti_Burglar
#74 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:19:51 AM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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harrydre wrote:
Maybe the starting point should be does the soul exist?

C & P

Quote:
Published on Nov 6, 2012
A pair of world-renowned quantum scientists says they can prove the existence of the soul. American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells. Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks". Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger have been working on the theory since 1996. They argue that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules - a process they call orchestrated objective reduction. In a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Or in layman's terms, the soul does not die but returns to the universe. Dr Hameroff explained the theory at length in the Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary Through the Wormhole, which was recently aired in the US by the Science Channel. The quantum soul theory is now trending worldwide, thanks to stories published this week by The Huffington Post and the Daily Mail, which have generated thousands of readers comments and social media shares. "Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state," Dr Hameroff said. "The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. 'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".' In the event of the patient's death, it was "possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body indefinitely - as a soul".
Dr Hameroff believes new findings about the role quantum physics plays in biological processes, such as the navigation of birds, adds weight to the theory.
I found this information very interesting I am not a great lover of the 'documentary Through the Wormhole' but Sir Roger Penrose work is always very mathematical and logical!
The rest of this video explains an artist theory on the physics of light and time as a physical process, in this theory consciousness is the most advanced part of a universal process. I believe it should be possible to explain everything by physics and science.
Maybe one day we will be able to explain the soul by physics and science and religion will be one! For this we will need an objective understanding of our Universe and our place within it.


Enough!
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#75 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:36:22 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Maybe the starting point should be does the soul exist?

C & P

Quote:
Published on Nov 6, 2012
A pair of world-renowned quantum scientists says they can prove the existence of the soul. American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells. Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks". Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger have been working on the theory since 1996. They argue that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules - a process they call orchestrated objective reduction. In a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Or in layman's terms, the soul does not die but returns to the universe. Dr Hameroff explained the theory at length in the Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary Through the Wormhole, which was recently aired in the US by the Science Channel. The quantum soul theory is now trending worldwide, thanks to stories published this week by The Huffington Post and the Daily Mail, which have generated thousands of readers comments and social media shares. "Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state," Dr Hameroff said. "The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. 'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".' In the event of the patient's death, it was "possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body indefinitely - as a soul".
Dr Hameroff believes new findings about the role quantum physics plays in biological processes, such as the navigation of birds, adds weight to the theory.
I found this information very interesting I am not a great lover of the 'documentary Through the Wormhole' but Sir Roger Penrose work is always very mathematical and logical!
The rest of this video explains an artist theory on the physics of light and time as a physical process, in this theory consciousness is the most advanced part of a universal process. I believe it should be possible to explain everything by physics and science.
Maybe one day we will be able to explain the soul by physics and science and religion will be one! For this we will need an objective understanding of our Universe and our place within it.


Enough!


Some things don't need to be said.
Anti_Burglar
#76 Posted : Tuesday, February 02, 2016 9:49:19 AM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
¿ wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Maybe the starting point should be does the soul exist?

C & P

Quote:
Published on Nov 6, 2012
A pair of world-renowned quantum scientists says they can prove the existence of the soul. American Dr Stuart Hameroff and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose developed a quantum theory of consciousness asserting that our souls are contained inside structures called microtubules which live within our brain cells. Their idea stems from the notion of the brain as a biological computer, "with 100 billion neurons and their axonal firings and synaptic connections acting as information networks". Dr Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, and Sir Roger have been working on the theory since 1996. They argue that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects inside these microtubules - a process they call orchestrated objective reduction. In a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Or in layman's terms, the soul does not die but returns to the universe. Dr Hameroff explained the theory at length in the Morgan Freeman-narrated documentary Through the Wormhole, which was recently aired in the US by the Science Channel. The quantum soul theory is now trending worldwide, thanks to stories published this week by The Huffington Post and the Daily Mail, which have generated thousands of readers comments and social media shares. "Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state," Dr Hameroff said. "The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. 'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".' In the event of the patient's death, it was "possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body indefinitely - as a soul".
Dr Hameroff believes new findings about the role quantum physics plays in biological processes, such as the navigation of birds, adds weight to the theory.
I found this information very interesting I am not a great lover of the 'documentary Through the Wormhole' but Sir Roger Penrose work is always very mathematical and logical!
The rest of this video explains an artist theory on the physics of light and time as a physical process, in this theory consciousness is the most advanced part of a universal process. I believe it should be possible to explain everything by physics and science.
Maybe one day we will be able to explain the soul by physics and science and religion will be one! For this we will need an objective understanding of our Universe and our place within it.


Enough!


Some things don't need to be said.


Especially if it is just the same old things.
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