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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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If this injustice is not adequately addressed, parents may have to devise ways to beat the system. The easiest way to do that would be to let your child study in a private school but register them to sit their exams in public schools. ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!! IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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mwenza wrote:If this injustice is not adequately addressed, parents may have to devise ways to beat the system.
The easiest way to do that would be to let your child study in a private school but register them to sit their exams in public schools.
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!! I have had of private school kicking out students who haven't been registered for the national exams in their schools.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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radio wrote:mwenza wrote:If this injustice is not adequately addressed, parents may have to devise ways to beat the system.
The easiest way to do that would be to let your child study in a private school but register them to sit their exams in public schools.
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!! I have had of private school kicking out students who haven't been registered for the national exams in their schools. The way things are going, the private schools themselves will start encouraging it, especially now that ranking is no more. I read somewhere that private schools are currently mulling over the possibility of making their schools non-examination centers. Now that the government is obviously so anti-private schools, they should just ban them altogether so that we can all bury our heads in the sand and assume that all is well in the education sector. Does these government truly believe that the private schools have outlived their usefulness? IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/15/2009 Posts: 360
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mwenza wrote:radio wrote:mwenza wrote:If this injustice is not adequately addressed, parents may have to devise ways to beat the system.
The easiest way to do that would be to let your child study in a private school but register them to sit their exams in public schools.
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!! I have had of private school kicking out students who haven't been registered for the national exams in their schools. The way things are going, the private schools themselves will start encouraging it, especially now that ranking is no more. I read somewhere that private schools are currently mulling over the possibility of making their schools non-examination centers. Now that the government is obviously so anti-private schools, they should just ban them altogether so that we can all bury our heads in the sand and assume that all is well in the education sector. Does these government truly believe that the private schools have outlived their usefulness? this is like the quota system, every class 8 candidate should have a chance od attending the best high schools in Kenya no matter the depth of pockets of their fathers
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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If the current challenges continue and credible solutions hard to agree , then do away with quotas. Both marginalised and private/public. work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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shocks wrote:mwenza wrote:radio wrote:mwenza wrote:If this injustice is not adequately addressed, parents may have to devise ways to beat the system.
The easiest way to do that would be to let your child study in a private school but register them to sit their exams in public schools.
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!! I have had of private school kicking out students who haven't been registered for the national exams in their schools. The way things are going, the private schools themselves will start encouraging it, especially now that ranking is no more. I read somewhere that private schools are currently mulling over the possibility of making their schools non-examination centers. Now that the government is obviously so anti-private schools, they should just ban them altogether so that we can all bury our heads in the sand and assume that all is well in the education sector. Does these government truly believe that the private schools have outlived their usefulness? this is like the quota system, every class 8 candidate should have a chance od attending the best high schools in Kenya no matter the depth of pockets of their fathers that is most absurd post I have read in wazua this January LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Somebody said the problem with equality is that we want it to be applied on people above us not those beneath us. The principle of affirmative action for public schools must be upheld. But we must not overdo it. I understand Kaimenyi wants to grow schools that are viewed as small by taking better students there to improve their ranking and status but a student with over 400 missing both national and county schools is unfair
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/30/2015 Posts: 23
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Lolest! wrote:Somebody said the problem with equality is that we want it to be applied on people above us not those beneath us. The principle of affirmative action for public schools must be upheld. But we must not overdo it. I understand Kaimenyi wants to grow schools that are viewed as small by taking better students there to improve their ranking and status but a student with over 400 missing both national and county schools is unfair I don't buy this argument..A parent almost sold his soul for his kid to go to an average private school,the kid repays by performing exemplary well in KCPE WITH 410 marks..In comes the government with its crazy policy of wanting to uplift some low level school( BTW it attained it low level status because the same govt neglected it over the years,underpaid its teaching staff and screwed the school LRC over the years)...Tell that to the birds...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Adapt ,migrate or die. Kama uko na pesa ,stop mourning! Just 'buy' a place at any of the top schools before it's too late. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Tbags wrote:Lolest! wrote:Somebody said the problem with equality is that we want it to be applied on people above us not those beneath us. The principle of affirmative action for public schools must be upheld. But we must not overdo it. I understand Kaimenyi wants to grow schools that are viewed as small by taking better students there to improve their ranking and status but a student with over 400 missing both national and county schools is unfair I don't buy this argument..A parent almost sold his soul for his kid to go to an average private school,the kid repays by performing exemplary well in KCPE WITH 410 marks..In comes the government with its crazy policy of wanting to uplift some low level school( BTW it attained it low level status because the same govt neglected it over the years,underpaid its teaching staff and screwed the school LRC over the years)...Tell that to the birds... In any case this thing is only benefitting public schools that are way above the average private school, for instance Nyakach sub county with 55 slots for nationals schools, Nyabondo Boys and Girls which are high end public schools took 45 of the 55 slots leaving the other 120 schools to share the remaining 10 slots, have we helped anything here? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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McReggae wrote:Tbags wrote:Lolest! wrote:Somebody said the problem with equality is that we want it to be applied on people above us not those beneath us. The principle of affirmative action for public schools must be upheld. But we must not overdo it. I understand Kaimenyi wants to grow schools that are viewed as small by taking better students there to improve their ranking and status but a student with over 400 missing both national and county schools is unfair I don't buy this argument..A parent almost sold his soul for his kid to go to an average private school,the kid repays by performing exemplary well in KCPE WITH 410 marks..In comes the government with its crazy policy of wanting to uplift some low level school( BTW it attained it low level status because the same govt neglected it over the years,underpaid its teaching staff and screwed the school LRC over the years)...Tell that to the birds... In any case this thing is only benefitting public schools that are way above the average private school, for instance Nyakach sub county with 55 slots for nationals schools, Nyabondo Boys and Girls which are high end public schools took 45 of the 55 slots leaving the other 120 schools to share the remaining 10 slots, have we helped anything here? The govt is taking short cuts. They should improve the quality of teaching and learning in public schools. On the contrary the playgrounds are being grabbed. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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mwenza wrote:
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!!
I heard this and I was shocked!!! These segregation/unfairness/injustices are being taken too far. Are students in private/church sponsored/NGO supported schools lesser Kenyans than the rest. Aren't their parents tax payers? What reasoning was used here. The policy makers in this country must be from utopia! This is not a favour from the government or some 'development partner'. This our bloody money!!! Too much for equality and equitability!!! And the equalisation crew, how would paying examination fees for students in private schools - with their parents tax money! - disadvantage the students in public schools??? I heard the same will apply to laptops - if and when they finally arrive. There is only too far you can push people before they revolt! Why should I continue paying taxes for example if the government keeps doing it's best not only to deny me and my family the benefits of my hard earned cash but to ensure that we are actually at a greater disadvantage. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now!People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! I know numerous private schools that are way cheaper than akina Nairobi Primary and St. George's which happen to be public primary schools!!! I checked with Nairobi Primary; School fees is Sh8,000 per term. Which private schools are these you say charge less than this?
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Rank: User Joined: 1/20/2014 Posts: 3,528
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chiaroscuro wrote:McReggae wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now!People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! I know numerous private schools that are way cheaper than akina Nairobi Primary and St. George's which happen to be public primary schools!!! I checked with Nairobi Primary; School fees is Sh8,000 per term. Which private schools are these you say charge less than this? NGO/Church sponsored schools in many slum settings in Nairobi charge around 3k per term. Remember they fall under private schools Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:mwenza wrote:
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!!
I heard this and I was shocked!!! These segregation/unfairness/injustices are being taken too far. Are students in private/church sponsored/NGO supported schools lesser Kenyans than the rest. Aren't their parents tax payers? What reasoning was used here. The policy makers in this country must be from utopia! This is not a favour from the government or some 'development partner'. This our bloody money!!! Too much for equality and equitability!!! And the equalisation crew, how would paying examination fees for students in private schools - with their parents tax money! - disadvantage the students in public schools??? I heard the same will apply to laptops - if and when they finally arrive. There is only too far you can push people before they revolt! Why should I continue paying taxes for example if the government keeps doing it's best not only to deny me and my family the benefits of my hard earned cash but to ensure that we are actually at a greater disadvantage. There is no exam fee waiver! The government is paying KNEC the fees on behalf of pupils in its schools. If this is to be extended to those in other schools, then there will also be a case to extend FPE funding to them as well. That is, a demand these other schools also get similar amount of funding per pupil as given to public schools.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Othelo wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:McReggae wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now!People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! I know numerous private schools that are way cheaper than akina Nairobi Primary and St. George's which happen to be public primary schools!!! I checked with Nairobi Primary; School fees is Sh8,000 per term. Which private schools are these you say charge less than this? NGO/Church sponsored schools in many slum settings in Nairobi charge around 3k per term. Remember they fall under private schools I agree; that is a mistake. Sponsored schools should NOT be treated as "private". We should have three categories: Government schools Sponsored schools Commercial schools
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:Othelo wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:McReggae wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Tokyo wrote:The best solution to form 1 admission challenges is improving private secondary schools to top performers. Rich parents will have more options instead of complaining. Kindly reads posts #96 and #106. This manenos of kids in private schools have "rich parents" is a lie repeated so much the people peddling it must have believed it by now!People should stop saying things they don't know. Talk to subordinate staff at your work place, mama mboga, your house help etc. and you will be surprised a good number of them have kids in some sort of private schools. It might not be the Riaras, Makini, Hillcrest and Msingi Boras of this world but a private school all the same - owned and operated by an individual. And they have not taken the kids there just for the sake or because they have heard people take kids to private schools. They have very good reasons. I once had a discussion with one who was really struggling to pay fees and advised them to shift their kids to public schools. They explained to me their reasons and I realised that if I was in their shoes I would do exactly what they were doing!! It does not matter if you pay 3k or 200k per term, as far as the government is concerned, your kid is in a private school. It doesn't matter matter if the school is Karen or it is those informal schools in Mathare Valley, your kid is in a private school! I know numerous private schools that are way cheaper than akina Nairobi Primary and St. George's which happen to be public primary schools!!! I checked with Nairobi Primary; School fees is Sh8,000 per term. Which private schools are these you say charge less than this? NGO/Church sponsored schools in many slum settings in Nairobi charge around 3k per term. Remember they fall under private schools I agree; that is a mistake. Sponsored schools should NOT be treated as "private". We should have three categories: Government schools Sponsored schools Commercial schools There are many private commercial schools charging less than 2K per term, in the informal settlements and in the rural areas!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2009 Posts: 2,863
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chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mwenza wrote:
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!!
I heard this and I was shocked!!! These segregation/unfairness/injustices are being taken too far. Are students in private/church sponsored/NGO supported schools lesser Kenyans than the rest. Aren't their parents tax payers? What reasoning was used here. The policy makers in this country must be from utopia! This is not a favour from the government or some 'development partner'. This our bloody money!!! Too much for equality and equitability!!! And the equalisation crew, how would paying examination fees for students in private schools - with their parents tax money! - disadvantage the students in public schools??? I heard the same will apply to laptops - if and when they finally arrive. There is only too far you can push people before they revolt! Why should I continue paying taxes for example if the government keeps doing it's best not only to deny me and my family the benefits of my hard earned cash but to ensure that we are actually at a greater disadvantage. There is no exam fee waiver! The government is paying KNEC the fees on behalf of pupils in its schools. If this is to be extended to those in other schools, then there will also be a case to extend FPE funding to them as well. That is, a demand these other schools also get similar amount of funding per pupil as given to public schools. Semantics...... IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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mwenza wrote:chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mwenza wrote:
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!!
I heard this and I was shocked!!! These segregation/unfairness/injustices are being taken too far. Are students in private/church sponsored/NGO supported schools lesser Kenyans than the rest. Aren't their parents tax payers? What reasoning was used here. The policy makers in this country must be from utopia! This is not a favour from the government or some 'development partner'. This our bloody money!!! Too much for equality and equitability!!! And the equalisation crew, how would paying examination fees for students in private schools - with their parents tax money! - disadvantage the students in public schools??? I heard the same will apply to laptops - if and when they finally arrive. There is only too far you can push people before they revolt! Why should I continue paying taxes for example if the government keeps doing it's best not only to deny me and my family the benefits of my hard earned cash but to ensure that we are actually at a greater disadvantage. There is no exam fee waiver! The government is paying KNEC the fees on behalf of pupils in its schools. If this is to be extended to those in other schools, then there will also be a case to extend FPE funding to them as well. That is, a demand these other schools also get similar amount of funding per pupil as given to public schools. Semantics...... Not quite. Definition has implications....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,460
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chiaroscuro wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mwenza wrote:
ION, am told the exam fees waiver is only applicable to candidates in public schools. What are these people telling us about parents with candidates in private schools? SHAME!!!!!
I heard this and I was shocked!!! These segregation/unfairness/injustices are being taken too far. Are students in private/church sponsored/NGO supported schools lesser Kenyans than the rest. Aren't their parents tax payers? What reasoning was used here. The policy makers in this country must be from utopia! This is not a favour from the government or some 'development partner'. This our bloody money!!! Too much for equality and equitability!!! And the equalisation crew, how would paying examination fees for students in private schools - with their parents tax money! - disadvantage the students in public schools??? I heard the same will apply to laptops - if and when they finally arrive. There is only too far you can push people before they revolt! Why should I continue paying taxes for example if the government keeps doing it's best not only to deny me and my family the benefits of my hard earned cash but to ensure that we are actually at a greater disadvantage. There is no exam fee waiver! The government is paying KNEC the fees on behalf of pupils in its schools. If this is to be extended to those in other schools, then there will also be a case to extend FPE funding to them as well. That is, a demand these other schools also get similar amount of funding per pupil as given to public schools. Say what you want but with time, people will fight back. Whichever means will do. Let me tell you something for a fact. I will not give details but let me say I have come up with something - intellectual property - that I want to sell to a foreign company. Guess how the deal will go down. I register a company in Luxembourg, Jersey, Isle of Man, Cayman Islands or Monaco. I do the deal through my offshore company and I keep all my money. Kenyan government gets nothing!!! If the government was treating me fairly and using my tax money properly, I would feel guilty doing such a thing. Now? Take a guess! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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