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Bigchick wrote:jguru wrote:Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students? With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years? The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine. It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors.  @jguru....They intend to use the Thika Level 5.They are already in the process of upgrading the facility.Wards and mortuary. Rumour has it the trainers will be from US and India. As for the Med Board.......they knew the mentioned Unis were offerring the courses, so why not stop them before they enroll students instead of waiting for them to train then deny them registration? Trust me eventually they will have to register them so long as they are qualified. The idea that a medical doctor from MKU will be at par in skills and knowledge with a medical doctor from UON/MOI is a delusion. Thika Level 5 Hospital will need considerable structural development to become a model training institution for doctors. If it already has significant challenges training nurses (KMTC) and COs (KMTC, MKU, Thika Technical, JKUAT), suffice to say, it will have an insurmountable task of training doctors. Where will MKU get the specialist doctors (Master's degrees) to train these doctors from? No lecturer or Prof will leave UON/MOI to come and train at MKU. 1. They will not afford him; 2. The vast array of cases he would teach with are available only at a referral hospital (Thika has a medicine ward with 30F and 30M patients; KNH has 8 medicine wards with approx 100 patients each); 3. The academically good KCSE students will choose UON/MOI over MKU anytime; 4. The ability to attract grants/research funds is far greater at UON/MOI than at MKU; 5. Proximity to their private clinics. That is why the Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board is introducing Board Exams for these students. Similar exams are taken by doctors who study in foreign universities (TZ, KIU, Makerere, Russia, India, Carribean, SA etc) who intend to do internship at Kenyan hospitals or who need licenses to practice medicine in Kenya. So despite having trained in a local medical school they will still need to pass a specialised and intensive board exam since the quality of their training cannot be assured. Most will not pass that exam. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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murchr wrote:Clinical officers in our dispensaries are better than the so called docs we see around yet we all know they got Cs so A+ is nothing really...many of these people passed Maths, Bio and Chem but failed in Ksw Hist/Geo etc hence the lower grade. If someone has a passion in medicine then nothing should stop him/her from going after their dream That is absolutely not true! Most COs are a joke. I wouldn't let one near my family or friends. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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most nurses and clinical officers easily step in the doctors roles in most hospitals around the country, there is nothing much when it comes to gp's and the qualifications - kmtc can as well train doctors.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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jguru wrote:murchr wrote:Clinical officers in our dispensaries are better than the so called docs we see around yet we all know they got Cs so A+ is nothing really...many of these people passed Maths, Bio and Chem but failed in Ksw Hist/Geo etc hence the lower grade. If someone has a passion in medicine then nothing should stop him/her from going after their dream That is absolutely not true! Most COs are a joke. I wouldn't let one near my family or friends. you should pay a visit to the public hospitals that deal with the majority of health matters around the country.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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nakujua wrote:most nurses and clinical officers easily step in the doctors roles in most hospitals around the country, there is nothing much when it comes to gp's and the qualifications - kmtc can as well train doctors.
I'm waiting for the day when I'll see a nurse or a CO doing a caesarian section or a laparatomy. A CO would fit in no other health care system in the world except the Kenyan one. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/16/2010 Posts: 158 Location: world
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And please guys stop this lie that Kenyan C students go to serious Indian Medical Colleges to study Medicine. India has one of the most competitive entrance examinations for the Medical School and that is why the Indians make some of the best doctors in the world. Of course they also have quack medical schools which will take anybody who wants to pay for it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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jguru wrote:Bigchick wrote:jguru wrote:Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students? With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years? The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine. It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors. @jguru....They intend to use the Thika Level 5.They are already in the process of upgrading the facility.Wards and mortuary. Rumour has it the trainers will be from US and India. As for the Med Board.......they knew the mentioned Unis were offerring the courses, so why not stop them before they enroll students instead of waiting for them to train then deny them registration? Trust me eventually they will have to register them so long as they are qualified. The idea that a medical doctor from MKU will be at par in skills and knowledge with a medical doctor from UON/MOI is a delusion. Thika Level 5 Hospital will need considerable structural development to become a model training institution for doctors. If it already has significant challenges training nurses (KMTC) and COs (KMTC, MKU, Thika Technical, JKUAT), suffice to say, it will have an insurmountable task of training doctors. Where will MKU get the specialist doctors (Master's degrees) to train these doctors from? No lecturer or Prof will leave UON/MOI to come and train at MKU. 1. They will not afford him; 2. The vast array of cases he would teach with are available only at a referral hospital (Thika has a medicine ward with 30F and 30M patients; KNH has 8 medicine wards with approx 100 patients each); 3. The academically good KCSE students will choose UON/MOI over MKU anytime; 4. The ability to attract grants/research funds is far greater at UON/MOI than at MKU; 5. Proximity to their private clinics. That is why the Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board is introducing Board Exams for these students. Similar exams are taken by doctors who study in foreign universities (TZ, KIU, Makerere, Russia, India, Carribean, SA etc) who intend to do internship at Kenyan hospitals or who need licenses to practice medicine in Kenya. So despite having trained in a local medical school they will still need to pass a specialised and intensive board exam since the quality of their training cannot be assured. Most will not pass that exam. @jguru.....am certain you are not the only one seeing the challenges you havr mentioned.Gicharu and Co must be aware of them and have a way out. Am glad to note that the medical board will administer some exams.At lea Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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nakujua wrote:jguru wrote:murchr wrote:Clinical officers in our dispensaries are better than the so called docs we see around yet we all know they got Cs so A+ is nothing really...many of these people passed Maths, Bio and Chem but failed in Ksw Hist/Geo etc hence the lower grade. If someone has a passion in medicine then nothing should stop him/her from going after their dream That is absolutely not true! Most COs are a joke. I wouldn't let one near my family or friends. you should pay a visit to the public hospitals that deal with the majority of health matters around the country. It is my experience with public hospitals that drives me to that conclusion. A CO once saw a pregnant lady whose placenta had separated from the uterine wall and was bleeding. The CO decided it was a urinary tract infection, prescribed brufen, doxycycline (contra-indicated in pregnancy) and metronidazole and sent the lady home! The lady came back at 2am, in shock. She was O-Neg and after several hospitals were called, only Nyeri and KNH had O-Neg blood. The outcome of referring or operating was prognostically similar. A CS was done, the baby was still-born, the mother died due to hypovolemia. The CO had not signed his clinical notes, but if we ever found him/her, we would have sued him/her in a court of law. A term mother-to-be with bleeding is a maternity case every day of the week! An this is but one of such tragic cases involving COs. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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jguru wrote:nakujua wrote:most nurses and clinical officers easily step in the doctors roles in most hospitals around the country, there is nothing much when it comes to gp's and the qualifications - kmtc can as well train doctors.
I'm waiting for the day when I'll see a nurse or a CO doing a caesarian section or a laparatomy. A CO would fit in no other health care system in the world except the Kenyan one. You will probably never see a nurse or a CO perform the procedures - though not sure but I have a feeling the graduate nurses might be trained in emergency Cesarian procedures. CO's would probably fit in a more qualified paramedics role in the west. the position was created to bridge the need for specialized medical personnel in the country due to the lack of doctors. Anyway, a bigger percentage of health issues do not involve caesarian sections or a laparatomy - either way I doubt if most gp in the country can perform the said procedures. Those are meant for more specialized personnel.
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There has been a tendency to create a "monopoly of knowledge/know-how/wealth", particularly centered around words like "The", "Public","parallel" "Quality of education", "amesomea India" yet there is no proof of this "better quality" in the kiwanja,...it is just politics to try control the gravy train through education, shauri yenu, the pipes are being cut loose ....hiii yote ni ujinga tupu! If BBA or BCOM could teach you how to do biathara, malaya wote wange soma hio, Let the CHE do it's job. Ras Kienyeji Man
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