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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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why do muslims lump everyone who is not one of them as a christian - there are people who do not subscribe to any religion.
I am sure wanugu never used to screem 'bwana yesu asifiwe !' before commiting his crimes - and I am sure if he did we would call him a christian criminal.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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nakujua wrote:why do muslims lump everyone who is not one of them as a christian - there are people who do not subscribe to any religion.
I am sure wanugu never used to screem 'bwana yesu asifiwe !' before commiting his crimes - and I am sure if he did we would call him a christian criminal. @nakujua I'm not lumping everyone in. I was answering @Nandwa by saying that this issue of saying some individuals are this or that because of their religious background is unfair. I'm answering him according to his question. I'm saying let's know that there are those who want to malign some group of people by saying they are doing this or that in their name. They may not be following the teachings of what they claim to ascribe to. I'm telling them let's be objective. I am saying a criminal is a criminal. A sinner is a sinner. It does not matter which camp you are in. Yes it is true that some Muslims themselves are responsible for some of the distortions about Islam. Some of the misconceptions about Islam is as a result of the misbehaviour of some Msulims. And that is to be fair and objective. And when I speak up about these, clarifying that these guys don't represend Islam, you turn around and say "so and so is a simpathyzer". We have seen in many, many instances where people try to spoil the name of Islam. Some even pretend to be Muslims by dressing like Muslims and go ahead and film some act forbidden by Islam. Like those ladies shown by someone yesterday. And another video a while ago done by some group of youth, duped " al-shabaab gruesome video" If you read my post #12, you would have know that some people are out to tarninsh the name of islam. Islam forbid jests. It forbids act of frightening one another whether in seriousness or as a joke, whether in words or in actions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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AlphDoti wrote:nakujua wrote:why do muslims lump everyone who is not one of them as a christian - there are people who do not subscribe to any religion.
I am sure wanugu never used to screem 'bwana yesu asifiwe !' before commiting his crimes - and I am sure if he did we would call him a christian criminal. @nakujua I'm not lumping everyone in. I was answering @Nandwa by saying that this issue of saying some individuals are this or that because of their religious background is unfair. I'm answering him according to his question. I'm saying let's know that there are those who want to malign some group of people by saying they are doing this or that in their name. They may not be following the teachings of what they claim to ascribe to. I'm telling them let's be objective. I am saying a criminal is a criminal. A sinner is a sinner. It does not matter which camp you are in. Yes it is true that some Muslims themselves are responsible for some of the distortions about Islam. Some of the misconceptions about Islam is as a result of the misbehaviour of some Msulims. And that is to be fair and objective. And when I speak up about these, clarifying that these guys don't represend Islam, you turn around and say "so and so is a simpathyzer". We have seen in many, many instances where people try to spoil the name of Islam. Some even pretend to be Muslims by dressing like Muslims and go ahead and film some act forbidden by Islam. Like those ladies shown by someone yesterday. And another video a while ago done by some group of youth, duped " al-shabaab gruesome video" If you read my post #12, you would have know that some people are out to tarninsh the name of islam. Islam forbid jests. It forbids act of frightening one another whether in seriousness or as a joke, whether in words or in actions. hapo sawa, was just pointing out the reason islam is more often bundled together with terrorism and some other bad acts is because those involved always invoke the religion - the issue of people spoiling the name of islam is rather naive, the same ridicule has and continues to be directed towards other religions and even those who do not profess any. we live in a more and more globalized society and the moment islam moves into some societies, it will have to appreciate that they have different rules.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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AlphDoti wrote:Nandwa wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Tokyo wrote:@ AlphaDoti is good with spinning around to justify superiority of his religion. @Tokyo, @Radio, @namwire, @Mukiri, @guka, @nandwa I'm not saying we're better. I agree with you that God only can judge a person. What I've done in this forum is pick up the good things of Christinaity. I'm trying to tell the Christians that actually if you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), it is good. I'm trying to uplift them. You've misunderstood my posts. What I'm trying to say whenever I make statements is that if Christian means a person who follow the teaching of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). Then the Muslims are more Christian than the Christians themselves. I can mention the verse of Quran that says: " ...come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him..." Quran 3.64 I never said that we are better. We are following your Bible better. This is what I'm saying. Many times, I'm telling the Christians why don't you follow your Bible also? At least follow what is common. I'm trying to pick up the good points of the Bible. That if your Bible says that be modest. The women should cover their heads. The woman should wear the veil. She should be modest. I'm asking them why are you not modest? Where am I trying to proof that we are better than them? I'm trying to say at least let us agree to follow what is common. This is not my advice. This is what God has told us. God is telling you to do this. If you say it is wrong then you are saying God is wrong. So I have to convey the message to non-Muslims that we acome to common term. The best term is we worship only one God. You set out as though you were going to address concerns raised in my post #57, but the attempt ended up as a far cry from How come whenever your colleagues commit heinous crime in the name of their faith (happens frequently) or like the case of forbidding Women from driving you and co. are too quick to conveniently cry our misinterpretation! The general feeling in your ranks whenever your agents hit a Western interest, is one of celebration! First, let us not make this a religous issue. We should treat every criminal involved in criminal acts as a criminal and must face law, regardless of religion. Muslims do not support criminal activities, the faith condems killing of innocent. I can repeat it again that as far as terrorism is concerned, it is haram. THose who claim to do criminals acts in God's name are not practising Islam, just thesame way those who claim to be Christian, do things Christ (pbuh) condemned. I cannot judge the whole population of Christians because Wanugu is killing people. No! It's very clear in Quran 5:32, you cannot kill innocent human being. So what should we do about these people who do that, the scholars of Islam say they should be punished, they are criminals and the aim is to find them and kill them as criminals. But we do not accuse people without evidence. And certainly we do no indict a country because someone is living there whom someone else feels he is indicted. Secondly, but if you want to make this religious. Have not Jews and Christians also done those things? And are they not also doing those things? Yes they are. As I said, a criminal is a criminal. A sinner is a sinner. It does not matter what you are. But you know what? You know and I know that you would never see in the media a Christian pedophile. - You would never see a pedophile called a " Christian Pedophile". - You would never see a murderer called a " Christian Murderer", or a " Jewish murderer". - recently the church shooting, killing pasters, you never heard anyone saying " Christian terrorist" Wanugu was never called Christian murderer. KDF and its mass killing of hostages after collapsing the floors was never called Christian Terrorist organisation. US troops in Iraq were not called Christian terrorist organization. Yet infact they have committed some of the greatest crimes. But they are not referred to as Christian terorrists. Then I ask why?Why when a non-Christian is accused, maybe not even convicted, but if he only accussed of something, he is called a terrorist. Why because the media is controlled by people who want to malign Muslims and Islam. And I say that is unfair. Thirdly, if you insist on this, then we take this to another level... Up to you. I am okay discussing religion though I am aware that continued unmasking of a certain faith could earn me some bloodied nose. No prizes for guessing which. You are the one who initially invited me into a discussion and now you want it to look as though I started it! Please get honest, the Wanugus you quote commit crime for material benefit and never associate it with religion! If they did, they would be branded accordingly. That's not hard to understand. On the other hand your guys keep shouting some allahu akbar stuff! Again whenever other criminals are apprehended no religious groups come to their rescue claiming persecution of their faith. Who does again no prizes To hell with the convenient victim mentality. Ati Media is controlled by bla bla This is perfectly what informs terrorism - in trying to justify their beastly actions Come out clean on the feelings of the average muslim when 9/11, twin US Embassy attack happens!! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Good...  I believe the air is cleared now, I've clarified most of your questions. I'm now going to dialogue with my brother @Mukiri, he has stayed hidden here for too long. Come out of your hiding place now, I'm not done with you yet.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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AlphDoti wrote:Good... I believe the air is cleared now, I've clarified most of your questions. I'm now going to dialogue with my brother @Mukiri, he has stayed hidden here for too long. Come out of your hiding place now, I'm not done with you yet.  I hope you don't want to bomb me!  Why aren't muslims content with their religion? Why don't you hear Buddhists, atheists etc seeking as much attention as you? Why can't you stick to quoting the koran as opposed to misquoting the Bible? And most importantly, why do feel the need to seek me out?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Good... I believe the air is cleared now, I've clarified most of your questions. I'm now going to dialogue with my brother @Mukiri, he has stayed hidden here for too long. Come out of your hiding place now, I'm not done with you yet. I hope you don't want to bomb me! Why aren't muslims content with their religion? Why don't you hear Buddhists, atheists etc seeking as much attention as you? Why can't you stick to quoting the koran as opposed to misquoting the Bible? And most importantly, why do feel the need to seek me out? No @Mukiri, not in the manner you maybe thinking  But I want to bomb you in the following manner. I've already clarified that, the driving case in Saudia is not Islam but the goverment law, but there are some things which are in your Holy Book that are opressive to women. I'm asking you again, please explan to me the following questions: 1. Does your Bible say birth of any female is a loss? (Ecclesiasticus 22:3) "...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss" 2. Jesus himself in Revelation 14:4 considered women as dirt that defiles men. Even Jesus, your highest role model, loathed women. It is in your Bible!! What does that tell you? That the women in the Bible are nothing but defiling filth and rubbish to men. To me, this is an insult to women. But this is the way your Bible considers women. 3. Does tha Bible also say if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. Explain to me why the birth of any female causes double the pollution (Leviticus 12:2-5) 4. Also are fathers asked to sell their daughters as slave girls? (Exodus 21:7-8) 5. And does the Bible say daughters should inherit nothing when there are sons? "If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter. (Numbers 27:8)" So the new law in our constitutio, which was copied from Shariah law for you informatio, of splitting everything equally is not Biblical.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/9/2012 Posts: 63
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Even the Quran does not say the split of wealth btwn daughters and sons should be equal ... If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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I have never really understood why @alphadoti,you go out of your way to seek points for Islam,while belittling christianity.And funny enough,it is never about buddhism,or hinduism,your only war is with the Christian faith. What do you hope to gain from that ? I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@lovenuffs and @Amores you both are trying to divert attention from what I've asked in post #77. For two days now, you guys have asked me questions left, right and center, I answered patiently. Now it is your turn to answer. It was not a buddhist, or a hindu who wrote the title of this thread So please leave them for now. But if you tell me that's how it is, then I will leave you alone. But trying to cheat people with a pre-conditioned thinking, taking advantage of news you consider to be critical of some sort to others. So it is the Christians that I'm telling them to be fair and objective. When you pick a topic like that and refuse to understand that, it's not all Muslim women who are not allowed to drive, but "women in Saudia". Such type of information about Islam, or any other faith, would not be an acceptable source of judging anything or anyone. So I don't want you to stand in judgement about subject that you have far no informaiton if any, and far few actual facts about. So no. I'm not leaving you alone unless you say so. No please answer my questions on post #77
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