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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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& it would be great that the Legal Tourism be directed to the ICTR in TZ. I hope the UN can approve of that.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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@cde ..I agree with you on the need for peace and rationality in debates, which I hope is what I am trying to do. I am not in the propaganda business, just trying to dissect scenarios logically. That being said, this is not about natural justice, but about power. I said as much in a post on this very thread http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=365123#post365123
I have been waiting for someone to make a counter argument but no one has ventured. Why? Because everyone has gone against a powerful opponent at some point in their life in one circumstance or another and know firsthand how painful it can get. You are wrong about absenteeism. Its not about being locked up, its about being away from office. If you went to play golf in Scotland or went hiking without making reasonable input toward meeting your obligations for 3 years you would be judged absent. Normally there are allowances that cater for circumstances like illness, or international engagements, and they permit a limited or total transference of power for the time it lasts. This hardly stretches to 3 years. Such allowances can only cover for an extended period of time at the benevolence of other power hungry politicians - my point being an extended absence makes valid grounds to move for impeachment, ergo power grab attempt. If they were unable to effectively rule, leaving the Speaker to it, that would not help matters either. We did not elect to be perpetually governed by a speaker. This is a very plausible scenario. About MK, he wasnt an absentee president, not by a long shot. That is a badly misguided perception. There is no law that requires the president to have his face in cameras all the time; reduced media presence does not mean he was not working or making decisions. The parallel doesn't fit, therefore doesnt apply here.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Hey..absenteeism & being away, what's the difference? There's a reason I don't visit the other sections of Wazua & not today either. I'm just reciting the very law Kenya passed & in the event of an Impeachment, the Speaker's the boss for atmost 90 days to another elections I think. There is no power vacuum. As far as the Prez & VP hopping in-out the country together whether official or OTW, the Speaker will always be there & for that & other reasons he is presumed impartial. Enough of the politics. Vote who you like, VOTE PEACEFULLY.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/8/2007 Posts: 709
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Hunderwear wrote:murchr wrote:Kenya is not a banana republic. Who owns the flower, tea and coffee farms, the holiday and game resorts? Is it not their cousins and their relatives who refused to pack their bags and call themselves Kenyans today? Will Tullow and Africa Oil withdraw from exploring oil in Turkana? Will Base titanium give up exploration in Kwale etc? The truth of the matter is they walk out the Chinese check in. The reason baba was focused on looking for markets in the Middle East and Asia was to avoid hii panganga.
If you haven't noticed, the sanctions have started...dint they ban miraa? Refuse to pay KDF its dues? How long shall we lick their boots? But notice they cant keep off our markets, because what is to come is very enticing.
The western baffoons are just making noise out of their interest.Let no Kenyan of stable thinking believe that they are doing this for our interest.The ICC tool was orchestrated long time ago to give their prefered candidate raila a direct ticket to state house.They have just realized that this will not be and they are now bucking so the citizens can help them salvage their candidate.Truth be said,the masses dont know what sanctions are and in any case hate mzungu....no wonder the phrase MAUMAU is taking shape You also need to understand that kenyans died in 2008 violence,and no one has ever been brought to book.Our judicial system was messed up and that's how the ICC came up.So,ICC orchestration as a tool is a lie. This two characters ,Uhuru and Ruto have been accused of this heinous crimes. You ought to understand that this characters are purely running to save their asses,using electorate to save their asses from facing justice. Its common knownledge,with no international support plus sanctions,Kenya will turn to another Zimbabwe and crumble. Eitherway,let it be,however it will be coz that's how God will intend it to be.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Real sad to see fellow citizens refuse to be objective at the behest of a Tribal King(s) on a self preservation mission that least caters for the hoi Polloi's interest when the tough times visit the Country! There are times when need arises to guide the delusional from perilous decisions e.g Fellows refusing go or to take their children to Hospital. This Country has a President in office at Present. He is not completely helpless on this matter even now though he could have tacked it better much earlier! What kind of Country does Kibaki want to bequeath to the younger genenration. Is the celebrated economist okay with seeing hte country wither a few years after he leaves office. I thought Leaders are there to provide leadership. There is no better time than now that our leaders leadership is yearned for! Kibaki, where are you! Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Let these mzungus go & go for good. I personally have lined up some lil money to buy up their properties in Gigiri,Karen & Nanyuki. Even bought a landrover from them not long ago  Feels good  @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,194 Location: nairobi
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I didnt know some stupid comments like the one above can come from the mouth of an investor. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Anyone stating that US and EU withdrawing their 'poverty' out of Kenya is/will be disaster is enemy No. 1 to Kenya's economic freedom. So, they have been singing sanction to kigali, what are the effects to date? Yeah, London and Canada firms are investing BILLIONS of USD right now in Turkana and Kwale, do you expect them to recoup them in less than 5 years after today? Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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faa wrote:Hunderwear wrote:murchr wrote:Kenya is not a banana republic. Who owns the flower, tea and coffee farms, the holiday and game resorts? Is it not their cousins and their relatives who refused to pack their bags and call themselves Kenyans today? Will Tullow and Africa Oil withdraw from exploring oil in Turkana? Will Base titanium give up exploration in Kwale etc? The truth of the matter is they walk out the Chinese check in. The reason baba was focused on looking for markets in the Middle East and Asia was to avoid hii panganga.
If you haven't noticed, the sanctions have started...dint they ban miraa? Refuse to pay KDF its dues? How long shall we lick their boots? But notice they cant keep off our markets, because what is to come is very enticing.
The western baffoons are just making noise out of their interest.Let no Kenyan of stable thinking believe that they are doing this for our interest.The ICC tool was orchestrated long time ago to give their prefered candidate raila a direct ticket to state house.They have just realized that this will not be and they are now bucking so the citizens can help them salvage their candidate.Truth be said,the masses dont know what sanctions are and in any case hate mzungu....no wonder the phrase MAUMAU is taking shape You also need to understand that kenyans died in 2008 violence,and no one has ever been brought to book.Our judicial system was messed up and that's how the ICC came up.So,ICC orchestration as a tool is a lie. This two characters ,Uhuru and Ruto have been accused of this heinous crimes. You ought to understand that this characters are purely running to save their asses,using electorate to save their asses from facing justice. Its common knownledge,with no international support plus sanctions,Kenya will turn to another Zimbabwe and crumble. Eitherway,let it be,however it will be coz that's how God will intend it to be. No one has ever denied that crimes were committed in 2008, but using scapegoats and shoddy investigations dint help the situation either. If there's anything that we should learn from the Chinese is that freedom is a choice. If everything and anything is dictated to you then your as good as a donkey. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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mlennyma wrote:I didnt know some stupid comments like the one above can come from the mouth of an investor. Pole if I offended you. So did you sell your shares together with @Stocksmaster & @guru Dec last year becoz of the impending sanctions? @SufficientlyP
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