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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Wee Kaigangio soma bibilia! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Am afraid the so called phundamentalist will lynch wazua...am very afraid and this thread must be terminated henceforth!!! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Impunity wrote:Am afraid the so called phundamentalist will lynch wazua... am very afraid and this thread must be terminated henceforth!!! This is hate speech  What is 'phundamentalist'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Kaigangio wrote:villageseer wrote:Kaigangio wrote:I doubt mohammeds parents were pagans from the little knowledge i have.
The arabs are descedants of the hunter, Ishmael who was brother to Jacob and their father Isaac.
I bet they knew of God most probably, until 622 AD or somewhere thereafter when Islam was born and Jihad started with mohammed as the commander and the prophet...Am i right???? Aii! Please read your Bible again! Ishmael was a son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian maid of his wife Sarah. Sarah's son Isaac wa his step-brother. thanks for the correction but Ishmael is the important object here... Christians and Muslims descended from the same father of faith: Abraham.- Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. - Ishmael from Haggar and Isaac from Sarah. - Ishmael is the father of the Arabs and Isaac is the father of the Jews, Israelites. The Quran 37:101 says:"So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son". Who is it?And this son is Ishmael for he is the first son whose good news was brought to Abraham. He is older than Isaac according to Muslims and the Bible too. It is even said in the Bible that Ishmael was born when Abraham was 86 years old and Isaac was born when Abraham was 99. In the Bible as well, God is said to have ordered Abraham to sacrifice his only son and in another version his firstborn. And, at this spot, they inserted falsely the name of Isaac against the text of their very Scripture. Why?- The reason they inserted Isaac is that he is their father whereas Ishmael is the father of the Arabs. - They added Isaac out of envy and brushed away "only son" by saying that Ishmael and his mother had already been to Makkah. What is the meaning of 'only son'This is a mere false explanation since we never say "only son" except to a person who hasn't got but one son. Moreover, the firstborn has got a special place [in the heart of his father] that is not given to the following children and the order to sacrifice him is therefore a greater test. How were these two sons?The Quran points out that Ishmael as the patient son and that he is the sacrificed. The Quran afterwards says: "And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous." The Quran continues to say:"We gave her [Sarah] glad tidings of Isaac, and after him, of Jacob." Which means that in the lifetime of Abraham and Sarah, Isaac will beget a child that he will call Jacob.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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My Brother @alustaadh! God has given us brains, which we should use when seeking the truth.
The Swahilis say:
if you stay with thieves you will also become a thief.
- Not because theft is righteousness, but because you are staying in an environment of thieves you will be affected by those who surround you.
- If you surround yourself with people who hate Islam, well, that is all you will get: hatred for the Muslims.
If you want to learn about the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), then choose Muslims who can inform you who the Prophet was.
Since you are doing research, you can read 'The Sealed Nectar', which would give you a very good idea of who the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was.
NOW PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING
The history of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), was similar to that of Prophet Ibrahim, alaihis salaam.
- Prophet Ibrahim, alaihis salaam, was son of an idol worshipper.
- His father, Azhar, actually carved and sold the idols.
- But God guided him and he became the father of the monotheistic religions.
That's why until now, we Muslims and the Christians say Abraham is the father of faith.
The history of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was similar to the of Prophet Musa, alaihis salaam.
- He was brought up by the Pharaoh of Egypt who himself claimed to be God.
- the Pharaoh liked that people should worship him instead of worshipping God.
- These were the real pagans.
- But God guided Moses and he became the leader of the Jews.
So the history of the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims is very similar
- Please do not pick on the faults of the persons of the prophets or their fathers because in your ignorance you will displease God who in turn will reserve sufficient place for you in the Hell Fire.
The Da Vinci Code
Please I advise you to read the davinci code, which would also give you a good idea where to find the daughter of Jesus.
Did you know that Jesus was married? Well, I tell you to find out!
May be the Church has hidden this info from you.
The Davinci Code is not written by Muslims. Muslims don't write nonsense.
How many husbands did Mary have?
Did you know that the mother of Jesus had two husbands, GOD FORBIDS (naudhubillah)?
One was called Joseph son of Jacob from the house of Solomon, according to Mathew.
And the other was called Joseph son of Heli from the house of Nathan, according to Luke.
This information is contained in your Holy Bible, not the davinci code.
Conclusion
Let us not get into mud slinging.
It does not help.
Seek the Truth and the Truth will set you free from the Fire.
I would advise you to buy yourself a Quran and the Sealed Nectar and read.
If you find any difficulty you can contact me and I will help you as far as possible.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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AD, the Quran quotes given above start with "We ..." Please provide details of the "We" in the context of the text.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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sky5 wrote:AD, the Quran quotes given above start with "We ..." Please provide details of the "We" in the context of the text. We already know God our lord is One. The Quran says very clearly that there is only One God, Allah. "There is no god but Allah" is the basic principle of Islam. Quran Surah al-Ikhlas chapter 112:1-4 says this. But you wonder why does Allah, our God uses the word "We" to refer to Himself in many verses in the Quran? Explanation(1) - Whenever Allah is mentioned in the third person there are always singular pronouns used, such as He, Him (Huwa or Hu). (2) - Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second person there are also singular pronouns, such as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). (3) - However, only in the first person some times the pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are used and sometimes "We", "Us" and "Our" (Nahnu, Na) are used. Why?This is a style of speech. Sometimes the speaker says I and sometime says we. We also use that in our conversations. - you will see that often the first person singular such as I or My is used, when Allah speaks about His love, care and closeness and forgiveness for His servants. - also the first person plural is used when Allah speaks about His power, Majesty, Glory, Great deeds or when He speaks about His anger and wrath for the sinners and criminals. Pluralis MajestatisQuote:- Also known as the "royal we" or the "Victorian we" has been restricted to august personages such as monarchs, bishops, Popes, and university rectors.
- The reason behind the pluralis majestatis is the idea that a monarch or other high official ALWAYS SPEAKS FOR HIS OR HER PEOPLE. The royal we (royal plural)Quote:The royal we is the first-person plural pronoun when used by an important personage to refer to himself or herself.
Its best known usage is by a monarch such as a king, queen, or pope.
It is also used in certain formal contexts by bishops and university rectors Conclusion- Some Christians, think that the plural pronoun which is used to show respect in verses is proof of their false belief in trinity. - These Christian writers in their desperate desire to prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime interpreted some Biblical passages where first person plural is used to suggest that this means the " Divine Trinity". For example in the Bible it is mentioned, "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image'" (Genesis 1:26). - Christian writers contend that this means that there is plurality in God (may Allah forgive us for mentioning this blasphemy) So @sky5, you are trying to confuse "simple Muslims" here in Wazua by taking some verses from the Quran and telling them that the Quran also supports such doctrines
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 222 Location: NAMANGA
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@ alphdoti,..... Christians and Muslims descended from the same father of faith: Abraham. TRUTH... Abraham had more than 2 sons: Genesis 25 verses 1-2.....six more sons were born to him by his second wife, KETURA...It seems that God favored Isaac (the son of promise) over his siblings (children of common law.), just as he favored Jacob over Esau, and Israel over the rest of the nations of the earth. we know that Judaism and Christianity came from the descendants of Issac, and Islam from the descendants of Ishmael. ..... And, at this spot, they inserted falsely the name of Isaac against the text of their very Scripture.......  who is 'they?' Kindly substantiate with evidence. ....... They added Isaac out of envy and brushed away "only son" by saying that Ishmael and his mother had already been to Makkah.... is this stuff in the Koran?  ......S ince you are doing research, you can read 'The Sealed Nectar', which would give you a very good idea of who the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was.
.....provide link please. Secular history shows that History is usually written by the victors. It is this in mind that any scholar is advised to examine the subject matter from all points of view. ... Please I advise you to read the davinci code, which would also give you a good idea where to find the daughter of Jesus. ... Actually this storyline was invented by the European Royal families to justify their divine right to rule over the masses in undemocratic manner. http://www.bibliotecaple...odlines/merovingian.htm these people have closely intermarried over the years and are now in the process of forging A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT so as to monopolize all TRADE AND POLITICAL POWER....They are believed to be WORSHIPERS OF SATAN...The most logical Question to ask at this Juncture is 'why should the Descendants of Jesus be associated with THE WORSHIP OF SATAN?' ...... The Davinci Code is not written by Muslims. Muslims don't write nonsense.... I agree with that. But remember Islam is not the only religiuos group with worldwide expansion ambitions....ever heard about the illuminati, or freemasons, etc? These are people advocating for the worship of demons... .....J oseph son of Jacob from the house of Solomon, according to Mathew. [ it is the HOUSE OF DAVID...NOT SOLOMON... ....... And the other was called Joseph son of Heli from the house of Nathan, according to Luke...... IT IS STILL JOSEPH A DESCENDANT FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID.. ... Conclusion
Let us not get into mud slinging.
It does not help. QUITE TRUE. We know who is doing that.... It is humiliating to be associated with thieves and murderers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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AlphDoti wrote:sky5 wrote:AD, the Quran quotes given above start with "We ..." Please provide details of the "We" in the context of the text. We already know God our lord is One. The Quran says very clearly that there is only One God, Allah. "There is no god but Allah" is the basic principle of Islam. Quran Surah al-Ikhlas chapter 112:1-4 says this. But you wonder why does Allah, our God uses the word "We" to refer to Himself in many verses in the Quran? Explanation(1) - Whenever Allah is mentioned in the third person there are always singular pronouns used, such as He, Him (Huwa or Hu). (2) - Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second person there are also singular pronouns, such as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). (3) - However, only in the first person some times the pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are used and sometimes "We", "Us" and "Our" (Nahnu, Na) are used. Why?This is a style of speech. Sometimes the speaker says I and sometime says we. We also use that in our conversations. - you will see that often the first person singular such as I or My is used, when Allah speaks about His love, care and closeness and forgiveness for His servants. - also the first person plural is used when Allah speaks about His power, Majesty, Glory, Great deeds or when He speaks about His anger and wrath for the sinners and criminals. Pluralis MajestatisQuote:- Also known as the "royal we" or the "Victorian we" has been restricted to august personages such as monarchs, bishops, Popes, and university rectors.
- The reason behind the pluralis majestatis is the idea that a monarch or other high official ALWAYS SPEAKS FOR HIS OR HER PEOPLE. The royal we (royal plural)Quote:The royal we is the first-person plural pronoun when used by an important personage to refer to himself or herself.
Its best known usage is by a monarch such as a king, queen, or pope.
It is also used in certain formal contexts by bishops and university rectors Conclusion- Some Christians, think that the plural pronoun which is used to show respect in verses is proof of their false belief in trinity. - These Christian writers in their desperate desire to prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime interpreted some Biblical passages where first person plural is used to suggest that this means the " Divine Trinity". For example in the Bible it is mentioned, "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image'" (Genesis 1:26). - Christian writers contend that this means that there is plurality in God (may Allah forgive us for mentioning this blasphemy) So @sky5, you are trying to confuse "simple Muslims" here in Wazua by taking some verses from the Quran and telling them that the Quran also supports such doctrines C'mon Alph doti man. Islam started in 600 ad or thereabouts. Why are you attempting to explain its concepts with literary terms as first commonly used in the 1100s as your rightly say by the popes, monarchs and bishops? Was what was the intent to the use of 'we' in around 600 ad when islam was founded and koran written? The mornachs, bishops and popes you are talking about adopted and only started using that term in the 12th century. We found out that koran was based upon the apocrypha. The use of 'we' is one aspect of the apocrypha that Mohammed forgot to edit out. That is the only logical explanation. Now you can only excuse it, saying that if the popes, bishops, rectors and monarchs used it then its ok if Allah uses it too! Is it Allahs policy to copy and imitate? First the apocrypha and later the popes, monarchs and bishops? Is that is the only plausible explanation you can have now about the use of 'we'? But I admire your tenacity. You keep keeping on even when there is overwhelming evidence against you. You are most slippery and wriggly. You might wear me out...... 
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/16/2011 Posts: 59
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still unable to answer any of the my questions so far?Quote:Why?
- The reason they inserted Isaac is that he is their father whereas Ishmael is the father of the Arabs.
- They added Isaac out of envy and brushed away "only son" by saying that Ishmael and his mother had already been to Makkah. The suggestion that Abraham could have made it to Makkah along with Ishamael is a historical impossibility; 1.For them to get to Makkah, they had to use an existing trade route.The first trade route via the desert came to exist in the early common era shortly before Islam.Considering they would have journeyed from Mesopotamia up north to Turkey then into syria further into canaan before going into Egypt.Where Abraham met Hagar.This is where she probably spent all her years after coming from Canaan. 2.Fact ,Makkah was backwater.A study of ancient empires shows the Romans,Greeks,Persians avoided Makkah and it's environs because of the hardships of getting there. 3.Don't be to sure that Ishmaelites are arabs.Consider what this respected historian says: Quote:there is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever in Mecca, and if there had been such a tradition it would have to be explained how all memory of the Old Semitic name Ishmael (which was not in its true Arabian form in Arabian inscriptions and written correctly with an initial consonant Y)
came to be lost. The form in the Quran is taken either from Greek or Syriac sources." (Alfred Guillaume, Islam [Penguin Books Inc., Baltimore, 1956], pp. 61-62). Quote:The history of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was similar to the of Prophet Musa, alaihis salaam.
- He was brought up by the Pharaoh of Egypt who himself claimed to be God.
- the Pharaoh liked that people should worship him instead of worshipping God.
- These were the real pagans.
- But God guided Moses and he became the leader of the Jews. I've wondered where the Quranic author(s) came up with the name Musa for Moses.The Hebrew word is Moshe so is the aramaic adaptation.One realises,even the greek and english translators never made such mistakes. A quick comparison of prophet Muhammad and Moses/Jesus shows a diametric difference. Jesus and Moses were: 1.Not Political leaders.Moses was not a leader God was the leader. 2.Lettered ie were schooled. 3.Did not marry multiple partners.(Jesus was never married according to historical sources) 4.Both did not have armies.They never engaged in rebellious activities against Egyptians & Romans respectively despite them being Polytheists. 5.Miracle workers. 6.The prophetic mission was not carried out alone.Moses had Aaron:Jesus had John the Baptist. 7.Neither performed Hajj. Quote:Please do not pick on the faults of the persons of the prophets or their fathers because in your ignorance you will displease God who in turn will reserve sufficient place for you in the Hell Fire. If you are suggesting God has the capability of destroying His own creation ;take time and understand the Perfection attribute of God.If God is perfect He makes Perfect things.How can He then, destroy perfection? Quote:
The Da Vinci Code
Please I advise you to read the davinci code, which would also give you a good idea where to find the daughter of Jesus.
Did you know that Jesus was married? Well, I tell you to find out!
May be the Church has hidden this info from you.
The Davinci Code is not written by Muslims. Muslims don't write nonsense.
Da Vinci code is the work of fiction that is purely based on conspiracy theories.If it is considered a fact then It makes many assumptions chiefly Jesus survived the cross.The Romans and Early Christians who both held opposite beliefs thought He did not.This belief had a profound effect in their respective societies.Who would you believe? Quote:One was called Joseph son of Jacob from the house of Solomon, according to Mathew.
And the other was called Joseph son of Heli from the house of Nathan, according to Luke. The first lineage is that of Kings.Mathew showed Jesus was in the lineage of Kings through Joseph.Luke wrote extensively about Mary in the first chapters.Thus the second lineage is that of Priesthood.That goes all the way to Moses.Mary was a Levite.Jesus is referred to as a priest later. Why was there no lineage in the Quran?Meanwhile trouble has come to Tanzania one of the last places on earth where muslims had leaved in coexistence with others. http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/sunday-citizen/40-sunday-citizen-news/26531-122-arrested-over-mbagala-riots-burning-of-churches[url=tz riots 2] http://www.africareview..../-/67h8taz/-/index.html[/url]
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