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Curiosity Just landed on Mars
murchr
#71 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:53:07 AM
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The rover has been in Mars for a while now but there has been no sign of bones. Unless they are highly decomposed.

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#72 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:12:47 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Kratos wrote:
masukuma wrote:
So - as a followup to my post on aliens elsewhere - Let's assume that there is intelligent life that followed our exact pattern. So like us some 6 million years ago some female ape gave birth to two ape like creatures and one showed up to be humans and another chimps. When we compare the genetic difference between us and our closest relative - the chimps... it's really less than 1%.... you and a chimp share 99% of your genetic code! so let's look at the chimp - a creature we consider inteligent. He makes some tools i.e. putting twigs into a termite hole and fishing out some termites. The birghtest of chimps can only manage to do things that my 2 year old does - right. We on the other hand are looking at Mars.... sending pieces of metal using gravitational slingshots 88 million miles away. We are communicating different complex things using a series of writting codes. We have a species that gave people like Einstien, Our very brillint scientists like Steve Hawkings are doing really complex astrophysics in their brains. OK. 1% difference accounts for the shrieking creature that is the Chimp and us. So picture this - an alien creature that has 1% difference with us... ON THE UPPER SIDE! lol! that creature would look at us with all our really complex maths and all these things that we are throwing around thinking we are the bomb with laughter kinda like in the same way we would giggle in the sight of a chimp raising and declaring a saliva wet twig as the greatest invention in the universe. When we go to the National Park - drive around and see lions and buffalos and other creatures. do these creatures know they are in a park? What if earth or the visible universe is the park for us? We are mastering it kumbe the very dimensions (expanse of the universe) I have laid out are like the electric fence that separates Nairobi national park and Rongai? What if our best works are simply like toddler works for "them"? just an upgrade of 1%.... what about 2%? All this on the same parental genetic code? Could what our ancestors considered "Gods" be manifestations of these creatures described using cultural concepts... I am delving into @Muchr and @symbols field here... lol


Interesting. In the same trail of thought, would these "gods"not want to help us "evolve"? Am sure they could find a way to communicate if they wanted to....sort of the way grownups dumb it down when talking to toddlers as a way to help them catch up. Have human beings ever tried to help lower forms of life such as apes attain a higher intelligence? Is it even possible? This would probably answer the need of higher life forms trying to communicate with mankind.

Also since apes no longer seem to evolve is there a possibility that human beings will as well reach a critical point and have no more room to evolve? Would that then lead to "mutation" to create a superhuman, a change in DNA?


I like the way you think @Masukuma. Very interesting indeed. Kratos, evolution takes millions of years and frankly speaking it is not in any one species interests to help another evolve. Even if they wanted to they would not have the capacity to do so because individuals in the species cannot have a million year plan.

You say that they would find a way to communicate if they wanted to and I find this very interesting. If you wanted to communicate say to an insect, how would you do it and how would it know what you are trying to say? Maybe they have been communicating all these years but we just don't understand. What if the arrangement of the clouds every day, or lightning or rain or winds or floods are them trying to say something and we just can't read it and don't get it? What if everything you feel say a headache, itching, the need to yawn etc was a message of someone trying to tell you something?

Hahaha kusadikika you remind me of the guy who killed the south African apartheid president verwoerd, found not guilty on insanity grounds for claiming that there was a tape worm in his stomach speaking to him. Interesting theories.
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masukuma
#73 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:42:42 AM
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murchr wrote:
The rover has been in Mars for a while now but there has been no sign of bones. Unless they are highly decomposed.


life on mars would not take the same path as ours. So bones may not be what you are looking for. maybe microbial creatures is what they should (and are looking for). Bone is a product of a complex organism. Even on earth the bulk of living organisms don't have bones. the antarctic Krill has the largest biomass of animals on earth. lets face it - if an alien was to fall randomly on earth - it's quite likely they would think this place is run by Krills
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#74 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:15:29 AM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
The rover has been in Mars for a while now but there has been no sign of bones. Unless they are highly decomposed.


life on mars would not take the same path as ours. So bones may not be what you are looking for. maybe microbial creatures is what they should (and are looking for). Bone is a product of a complex organism. Even on earth the bulk of living organisms don't have bones. the antarctic Krill has the largest biomass of animals on earth. lets face it - if an alien was to fall randomly on earth - it's quite likely they would think this place is run by Krills

Was watching NOVA channel on YouTube and the reason we are not finding life is we are looking for LIKE US life or what is depicted in movies, what if life outside earth exists in another form eve gaseous, plasma, or because of radiation outside there they reside inside the planets as opposed to on the surface? No one has actually ever drilled more than a few millimetres outside of the earth.
ION I was wondering who finances the space exploration and what is the goal, any returns? NASA just made public their research any Kenyans taking advantage of this?
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#75 Posted : Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:01:04 PM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
The rover has been in Mars for a while now but there has been no sign of bones. Unless they are highly decomposed.


life on mars would not take the same path as ours. So bones may not be what you are looking for. maybe microbial creatures is what they should (and are looking for). Bone is a product of a complex organism. Even on earth the bulk of living organisms don't have bones. the antarctic Krill has the largest biomass of animals on earth. lets face it - if an alien was to fall randomly on earth - it's quite likely they would think this place is run by Krills


and who said 'life' is just how we know it?
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masukuma
#76 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2016 6:56:20 AM
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harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
The rover has been in Mars for a while now but there has been no sign of bones. Unless they are highly decomposed.


life on mars would not take the same path as ours. So bones may not be what you are looking for. maybe microbial creatures is what they should (and are looking for). Bone is a product of a complex organism. Even on earth the bulk of living organisms don't have bones. the antarctic Krill has the largest biomass of animals on earth. lets face it - if an alien was to fall randomly on earth - it's quite likely they would think this place is run by Krills


and who said 'life' is just how we know it?

Indeed....life as we know it could be one of many configurations of the possibility of life. There could be liquid methane requiring organisms out there who would find our proximity to the sun as being too hot. But since Mars is not that different from earth (temp) and I technically think life in earth could have been a product of Panspermia and if so it would mean the initial basic start for carbon based life forms happening next door would not be inconceivable
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#77 Posted : Friday, September 16, 2016 9:20:28 AM
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masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
The rover has been in Mars for a while now but there has been no sign of bones. Unless they are highly decomposed.


life on mars would not take the same path as ours. So bones may not be what you are looking for. maybe microbial creatures is what they should (and are looking for). Bone is a product of a complex organism. Even on earth the bulk of living organisms don't have bones. the antarctic Krill has the largest biomass of animals on earth. lets face it - if an alien was to fall randomly on earth - it's quite likely they would think this place is run by Krills


and who said 'life' is just how we know it?

Indeed....life as we know it could be one of many configurations of the possibility of life. There could be liquid methane requiring organisms out there who would find our proximity to the sun as being too hot. But since Mars is not that different from earth (temp) and I technically think life in earth could have been a product of Panspermia and if so it would mean the initial basic start for carbon based life forms happening next door would not be inconceivable


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#78 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2018 8:10:39 PM
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#80 Posted : Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:58:30 PM
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The rover retired after +14 yrs on the red planet



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