Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/13/2011 Posts: 67 Location: Kenya
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Thanks for sharing the info. The Syokimau issue is however beyond this coz many followed the correct procedures and acquired relevant approvals to purchase and develop their property. There is a possibility that this land originally belonged to KAA but was reallocated through corruption by the government of the day. The current government should therefore investigate whatever happened, take responsibility and compensate those who acquired the land legally. Too much impunity and disregard for the rule of law. This time round, we are united as suffering Kenyans, come election time, we all retract to our tribal cocoons. We are our own enemies. No one is protesting but wait until Sonko is taken to court for breaking the law and all of us jam the courtroom.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/18/2008 Posts: 17
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@captainGG......No one is protesting but wait until Sonko is taken to court for breaking the law and all of us jam the courtroom.
can u elaborate more pls??
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/22/2010 Posts: 510 Location: De egg
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Fellow Wazuans I have Been following this thread with a lot of concern but I'm sad to note that some of us can't tell the difference between a genuine title deed and an allotment letter . Could some one enlighten us on the features of a genuine land title deed . To the best of my understanding it must have all the records on any transfers on the particular piece of land in question . The Government is never corrupt only individuals within the system are corrupt . Peace be with you
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 25
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GGK wrote:Swanky2010 wrote:GGK wrote:jamplu wrote:
There was a time around 2004 KAA had a caveat on the land and its unfortunate the sellers waited for things to cool off then resold the land.
What have seen with the land process in kenya don't even trust the lawyers majority of them won't even bother to get the history of the land.
There is some land around Mlolong/Sabaki that belongs to the government Numerical Systems or something* where exactly is their land??
Numerical Machining complex. Check the report on Athi River land issue that was released recently hi guyz, who has this report? I have it Kindly email the Arthi River report to me at wpsafrica@gmail.comthanks If you knew that candlelight is fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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maligumu wrote:Fellow Wazuans I have Been following this thread with a lot of concern but I'm sad to note that some of us can't tell the difference between a genuine title deed and an allotment letter . Could some one enlighten us on the features of a genuine land title deed . To the best of my understanding it must have all the records on any transfers on the particular piece of land in question . The Government is never corrupt only individuals within the system are corrupt . Generally, the validity of an allotment letter is based on the legality of the title deed held by the entity issuing the letter. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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lynx wrote:GGK wrote:Swanky2010 wrote:GGK wrote:jamplu wrote:
There was a time around 2004 KAA had a caveat on the land and its unfortunate the sellers waited for things to cool off then resold the land.
What have seen with the land process in kenya don't even trust the lawyers majority of them won't even bother to get the history of the land.
There is some land around Mlolong/Sabaki that belongs to the government Numerical Systems or something* where exactly is their land??
Numerical Machining complex. Check the report on Athi River land issue that was released recently hi guyz, who has this report? I have it Kindly email the Arthi River report to me at wpsafrica@gmail.comthanks what is in this report that people don't want to share it kama iko share it on jamplu@yahoo.com
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/3/2011 Posts: 119
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anyone with infor. on wakigwe holdings on thika road- around Ndarugu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:(1)How does the law work, assuming the owners were innocent victims of fraud. My question is that they must have had some form of official govt document to even get approval to construct etc.
The fact that (2)KAA watched them construct those houses to me is proof enough that their rights to the land parcels were genuine. Any progressive judge who understands the spirit of the law should make KAA/gava to compensate them fully, for the.
Na hao wezi should be arrested, employees of KAA and the people they worked in cahoots with.
My advise to anybody whose proerty has been lost through gava's incompetence, just get yourself a good lawyer, sue and be patient. (1). Consider a different case: some one steals your car; goes to Kirinyaga rd and produces a fake logbook; sells the car to me (after colluding with a fellow at KRA to cheat me that the car is his). Two years later you find me driving it proudly around your estate. What would you do? Would you listen to my long stories of how I bought it, or would you simply want your car back? (2). KAA is a body corporate. It is not a person with eyes to see. Still, KAA issued numerous caveats warning people against interfering with that parcel of land. What more could they have done? When push came to shove, KAA acted... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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mukiha wrote:
(1). Consider a different case: some one steals your car; goes to Kirinyaga rd and produces a fake logbook; sells the car to me (after colluding with a fellow at KRA to cheat me that the car is his). Two years later you find me driving it proudly around your estate. What would you do? Would you listen to my long stories of how I bought it, or would you simply want your car back?
Reminds me of one R. Tuju on KICC when Kanu was claiming it... he said if someone stole your radio and got a permit for it and you know without a doubt that the radio is yours what do you do? his answer was you take it back by all means and let him go to court......
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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KAA says it did not carry out the demolitions. They were sanctioned by a cabinet resolution which is why the cabinet was united in defending the move.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2009 Posts: 353 Location: Cloud
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Without being insensitive to all the investors who were duped or greedy or who acted in good faith, Orengo challenged anyone with a genuine title deed to defend it. All are allocations from Mavoko. The corruption netwrk is wide and deep around Syokimau. What the investors should have done was go to court when the warnings started appearing in the press and get an injuction against the govt/KAA/ agents not to interfere with their peace. "For i am the master and the captain of my fate"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Lolest! wrote:If banks do not give devpt loans on share certificate, does this mean those buildings were financed through savings and SACCO loans? My guess is that people financed their constructions through "Salary Loans". Here, your salary becomes your guarantee and the bank has little interest on the ownership of the land on which you wish to build. Alternatively, they could also have used Co-Op loans from their places of employment... There are many ways of financing housing without having to "hung" your title deed. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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addidaskawembe wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Just in the recent past, Kyangombe slum was demolished, and there were no outcries . @Jus Blazin, a demolished slum can be rebuilt with in day on any alternative space and the materials can be reused BUT the houses in Syokimau cannot be rebuilt, once demolished the investment is gone. Secondly Kyang'ombe slums was an encroachment, money never changed hands but in Syokimau people bought the land, took loans to construct e.t.c Any one in his right mind cannot compare the two !! Remember the affected guys conducted a thorough search and the Mlolongo Brothers had a title for the 4,000 acres. The social cost is the same: people are left homeless. Not true: money always changes hands when a slum is being developed. Local Chiefs and DOs collect a lot of money from the "Developers". I watched as Mukuru was enlarged to fill the space between Hazina estate and Hazina Shopping Complex. This happened immediately after a new Chief's office was erected in that area. The Chief was collecting 50k per plot to look the other way... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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'user' wrote:If you saw you 3 year old take a bottle of poison and tells you that he will take it .Will you watch him take the poison without attempting to stop him?
What did the govt do to syokimauans?
Wacha akunywe tu ,Kuna mvua and the ground is soft , digging 6 feet down sio gumu.
YES: In a heated family argument a few years ago, my younger brother threatened to eat rat poison if he didn't get his way. I dared him to eat it - even brought some out and put it on the table! He cowed and retreated from the threat... Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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mukiha wrote:addidaskawembe wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Just in the recent past, Kyangombe slum was demolished, and there were no outcries . @Jus Blazin, a demolished slum can be rebuilt with in day on any alternative space and the materials can be reused BUT the houses in Syokimau cannot be rebuilt, once demolished the investment is gone. Secondly Kyang'ombe slums was an encroachment, money never changed hands but in Syokimau people bought the land, took loans to construct e.t.c Any one in his right mind cannot compare the two !! Remember the affected guys conducted a thorough search and the Mlolongo Brothers had a title for the 4,000 acres. The social cost is the same: people are left homeless. Not true: money always changes hands when a slum is being developed. Local Chiefs and DOs collect a lot of money from the "Developers". I watched as Mukuru was enlarged to fill the space between Hazina estate and Hazina Shopping Complex. This happened immediately after a new Chief's office was erected in that area. The Chief was collecting 50k per plot to look the other way... Very true @mukiha, in our neighbourhood at Kibbra that's exactly what happens, the chief, party chairmen, police and local youth leaders always charge before any structure can be erected in these slum areas!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/29/2011 Posts: 233
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http://kenyanlawyer.blogspot.com/2010/11/buying-land-in-kenya.htmlI went through this blog and only wish i had found it earlier when buying land! Totally impressive piece of work by one C.Maina. He responds to emails too  Excelsior
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,118 Location: Nairobi
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KAA was run by corrupt muhoho for many years. It would not surprise me if he had a hand in these fake allocations. The 'new' KAA might look at it differently... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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addidaskawembe wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Just in the recent past, Kyangombe slum was demolished, and there were no outcries . @Jus Blazin, a demolished slum can be rebuilt with in day on any alternative space and the materials can be reused BUT the houses in Syokimau cannot be rebuilt, once demolished the investment is gone. Secondly Kyang'ombe slums was an encroachment, money never changed hands but in Syokimau people bought the land, took loans to construct e.t.c Any one in his right mind cannot compare the two !! Remember the affected guys conducted a thorough search and the Mlolongo Brothers had a title for the 4,000 acres. @ addidaskawembe....the Kenyans living in those slums are there because they cannot afford to build those big houses you are referring to. The thing about Kenyans is that we always keep quiet when slum dwellers are terrorized by land grabbers because it doesn't affect us. Sh. 100,000 might be peanuts to you but it might be a fortune to someone else. "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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TAZ wrote:addidaskawembe wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Just in the recent past, Kyangombe slum was demolished, and there were no outcries . @Jus Blazin, a demolished slum can be rebuilt with in day on any alternative space and the materials can be reused BUT the houses in Syokimau cannot be rebuilt, once demolished the investment is gone. Secondly Kyang'ombe slums was an encroachment, money never changed hands but in Syokimau people bought the land, took loans to construct e.t.c Any one in his right mind cannot compare the two !! Remember the affected guys conducted a thorough search and the Mlolongo Brothers had a title for the 4,000 acres. @ addidaskawembe....the Kenyans living in those slums are there because they cannot afford to build those big houses you are referring to. The thing about Kenyans is that we always keep quiet when slum dwellers are terrorized by land grabbers because it doesn't affect us. Sh. 100,000 might be peanuts to you but it might be a fortune to someone else. "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln The assumption that slum dwellers "own" the houses they live in is wrong. The structures belong to slum lords who don't live there. The land belongs to some GoK organnisation (Kibera - KR; Mukuru - KR, KPLC, KPC; etc) The residents are mostly tenants. When a slum is demolished, the residents lose only movable household property; and most of the time, they rescue it before the bulldozer starts Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 249 Location: nairobi
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Kwanini wrote:Without being insensitive to all the investors who were duped or greedy or who acted in good faith, Orengo challenged anyone with a genuine title deed to defend it. All are allocations from Mavoko. The corruption netwrk is wide and deep around Syokimau. What the investors should have done was go to court when the warnings started appearing in the press and get an injuction against the govt/KAA/ agents not to interfere with their peace. I thot the case has been in court ever since and the fate was to be known yesterday....??? ..desire to succeed is always fighting with fear of failure..
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