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Treasury Bills Investing-Procedure?
bird_man
#71 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:36:41 PM
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@Selah....point taken.Interesting scenario though.
A guy that can pay the 89K/month is unlikely to view 70K/yr as worthy investment income...even when doing "absolutely nothing".
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
erifloss
#72 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:40:10 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
erifloss wrote:
Everything held constant for the year at the current rate of 20.696%, if one rolls over their investment the effective rate will be around 22.35% now where else can one get a safe return like this.



20% is roughly 5% every 3 months, even if we get generous and stretch it to 9% every 3 months, thats only 3% per month!! Nimekataa, there are stocks that rally 10% in a couple of days, I just dont get it. But then again, Im not loking for a safe return.

I think you should check the average loss for the last 6 months alone at the NSE and also remember this is an elections year. To be true to ourselves foreigners are the ones who initiate most of the rallies and this year i don't see them coming in but getting out in droves.
The economic environment is not also that promising. I'm totally happy with a 20% return.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Nabwire
#73 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:08:54 PM
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erifloss wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
[quote=erifloss]Everything held constant for the year at the current rate of 20.696%, if one rolls over their investment the effective rate will be around 22.35% now where else can one get a safe return like this.



20% is roughly 5% every 3 months, even if we get generous and stretch it to 9% every 3 months, thats only 3% per month!! Nimekataa, there are stocks that rally 10% in a couple of days, I just dont get it. But then again, Im not loking for a safe return.

I think you should check the average loss for the last 6 months alone at the NSE and also remember this is an elections year. To be true to ourselves foreigners are the ones who initiate most of the rallies and this year i don't see them coming in but getting out in droves.
The economic environment is not also that promising. I'm totally happy with a 20% return.[/quote

And here is where the true investors are separated from the wannabes. If you look at the market as being down and that foreigners are fleeing, you miss the half full analogy of this being a great buying opportunity. We all know markets are cyclical, so even if they are fleeing, they will be back smile There is money to be made. I see alot of herd mentality here, Tbills are safe, they are not great. It takes great risk to make great money, why would one want to preserve their capital when they could grow it? (Granted there is a chance of "losing" the capital) A good example, EK has more than doubled in less than a week smileGranted it is a huge risk coz the comapny may be going to bankruptcy, but no pain no gain. Why in hell would I tie up my money in Tbills for a paltry 3% per month???!!!


http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=EK&ql=1

hisah
#74 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:02:28 PM
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@Nabwire - list one or a few stocks that will return 20% or more by end of March 2012. That way u help more people and prove your point clearly.

Happy investing smile
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mzeekijana
#75 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:48:56 PM
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hisah wrote:
@Nabwire - list one or a few stocks that will return 20% or more by end of March 2012. That way u help more people and prove your point clearly.

Happy investing smile

Sad Haiya Laughing out loudly what a challenge..Nabwire give us 5 stocks only and let's c if it works...
Nabwire
#76 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:26:44 PM
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Hisah unfortunately, I am not based in Kenya and the NSE has very limited info BUT I am going to buy KK, KCB & Kengen. Just looking at it from a contrarian investing point of view, these stocks should have decent returns.Granted the NYSE has a more fluid/ greater turnover than the NSE so I realize it could be harder to get decent returns in a short time.Hisah you are a trader, so our time frames are different plus you know the entry/ exit points, alot of your followers dont, lets wait and see.
In other news

http://seekingalpha.com/...of-america?source=yahoo


http://seekingalpha.com/...-of-america?source=yahoo
Impunity
#77 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:39:14 PM
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[quote=Nabwire]Hisah unfortunately, I am not based in Kenya and the NSE has very limited info BUT I am going to buy KK, KCB & Kengen. Just looking at it from a contrarian investing point of view, these stocks should have decent returns.Granted the NYSE has a more fluid/ greater turnover than the NSE so I realize it could be harder to get decent returns in a short time.Hisah you are a trader, so our time frames are different plus you know the entry/ exit points, alot of your followers dont, lets wait and see.
In other news

http://seekingalpha.com/...of-america?source=yahoo


http://seekingalpha.com/...of-america?source=yahoo[/quote]
Keep queit where you are, in Kenia its erection year and stocks are historically inclined to lose massively in an election year!
T-bill for us Kenians is worthwhile.
Shame on you
Portfolio: Sold
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Nabwire
#78 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:40:55 PM
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And Hisah 20% by end of March? Tbills will yield 5% by the same time. Apples & Oranges?
Nabwire
#79 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:43:58 PM
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Impunity wrote:
[quote=Nabwire]Hisah unfortunately, I am not based in Kenya and the NSE has very limited info BUT I am going to buy KK, KCB & Kengen. Just looking at it from a contrarian investing point of view, these stocks should have decent returns.Granted the NYSE has a more fluid/ greater turnover than the NSE so I realize it could be harder to get decent returns in a short time.Hisah you are a trader, so our time frames are different plus you know the entry/ exit points, alot of your followers dont, lets wait and see.
In other news

http://seekingalpha.com/...of-america?source=yahoo


http://seekingalpha.com/...of-america?source=yahoo[/quote]
Keep queit where you are, in Kenia its erection year and stocks are historically inclined to lose massively in an election year!
T-bill for us Kenians is worthwhile.
Shame on you



If something is selling at 50% off, why would you run away until when it has gained 40%?? Anyways endeleeni na Tbills, I predict only a few like Hisah will actually be net profiters coz I bet most dont know when to jump out and into equities.
Drunkard
#80 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:50:32 PM
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@Nabwire,
we've been in process of building a Diaspora Investment Fund that mainly invest in Kenyan Market (equity, fixed income and alternative investments) and small cap US public traded companies, even though the fund is structured such that it is a closed fund( investment by invitation), We envision more Kenyans in Diaspora starting structure that will facilitate investments for all!
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