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Spikes
#7701 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 1:35:18 PM
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sparkly wrote:
They will probably create a special class of shares/ hybrid security for the banks.

Banks are not stupid.

If they aren't stupid why are banks having skyrocketing Non Performing Loans from various clients :corporates, individuals and cronies?
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
sparkly
#7702 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 1:54:53 PM
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Spikes wrote:
sparkly wrote:
They will probably create a special class of shares/ hybrid security for the banks.

Banks are not stupid.

If they aren't stupid why are banks having skyrocketing Non Performing Loans from various clients :corporates, individuals and cronies?


A Bank gives you an umbrella when it is sunny and takes it away when it starts raining.

What am I saying? I am saying that a bank makes money when you are servicing your loans but makes more money when you default.

How does a bank do that? A bank does that by attaching and selling the security which could be your house, stock of goods or your business.

Banks are not stupid my fren.
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tandich
#7703 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:14:33 PM
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Where can one obtain the Sessional Paper mentioned in the Business Daily article?
muandiwambeu
#7704 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:39:50 PM
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tandich wrote:
Where can one obtain the Sessional Paper mentioned in the Business Daily article?

🎲 the dice has landed. Its now official kequeer has grown voluptuous shafting appetito to the willing souls.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#7705 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:46:01 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
tandich wrote:
Where can one obtain the Sessional Paper mentioned in the Business Daily article?

🎲 the dice has landed. Its now official kequeer has grown voluptuous shafting appetito to the willing souls.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .

Glass half full.. Selling pressure is pushing it down for now. Ebb and flow, I speak in code

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#7706 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:55:06 PM
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Kausha wrote:
The paper version of Business Daily has the detailed story. It is very clear Banks will convert to equity. There is no rights issue but a new share issue to retire the debt by conversion


Here is my take:

- GoK will convert debt to equity [think NBK, KPLC, KenGen or Uchumi] at a discount i.e. the taxpayer will end up buying worthless shares. Even if GoK gets some value, it will be at a fraction of the investment.

- Banks, like Uchumi's creditors, will get shares BUT unlike Uchumi, they may not be able to sell them out at the price they will get the shares. Once bitten, twice shy.

- The guarantee of $77mn is peanuts. Banks are owed $280mn so this is only 25% of the current debt. And the guarantee kicks in over 10 years so accounting for time value of money it might be only 5%!

This is a poor deal for the banks i.e. they may have rights/collateral they can seize and get more than 25% in TODAY's money. I also think that banks were arm-twisted into not taking action against KQ much earlier.

The Taxpayer will be screwed over 100%.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
muandiwambeu
#7707 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:01:11 PM
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obiero wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
tandich wrote:
Where can one obtain the Sessional Paper mentioned in the Business Daily article?

🎲 the dice has landed. Its now official kequeer has grown voluptuous shafting appetito to the willing souls.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .

Glass half full.. Selling pressure is pushing it down for now. Ebb and flow, I speak in code

Are u a brother to pstr mwiru @obiero. Tulipanda mbegu lakini miracles nadra, ng'o ng'o. I like simple things in life, cause I know, even if things were to be as complex and thick as they are @ kequeer, going to the basics is a virtuous thing to do.
If I were to be invested inside of kq, I would have came inside and got a heart attack several times. I can not stop wondering if a healthy night sleep has got any meaning left of it to you sir.Sad Sad
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#7708 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:02:51 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Kausha wrote:
The paper version of Business Daily has the detailed story. It is very clear Banks will convert to equity. There is no rights issue but a new share issue to retire the debt by conversion


Wewe read the cautionary statement
What does company shareholders will be invited to particpate in a new issue of equity on a pro-rata basis although at a significant dilution to the current positions mean.

I am sure there are a few idiots [minority shareholders] who would put in fresh cash in as a Rights Issue but I don't think most would.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#7709 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:05:27 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
enyands wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
21st July...thats Thursday I believe...


What will happen by then? Yves last working day?

9 days to go.. The rally is full on as predicted by @karasinga


Thursday as @Maka states.

CS Treasury hints at an equity partner within one month from now. They will play with it to favour them.



Interesting. Thursday is the day ,then a month time is when true shareholding will be realised! !!hope not dilution of current shareholders by creating more shares! !

The exchange bar confirms that dilution is on the way.. In this scenario KQ does not have the capital to service current liabilities and the firm is hindered from issuing new debt due to covenants of existing debt and a rights issue cannot even be mentioned. PJT Partners proposes equity offering of new shares worth KES 60B.. It will be an ebb and flow, dying to live or living to die.. I speak in code


Who will provide 60Bn equity to a company with -45Bn shareholders' funds? Junk bonds maybe, equity never.

By Jun 04.2017 the exchange bar already tipped off the knowledge on dilution.. @sparkly mentioned junk bonds.. Whatever that means

KQ ABP 4.26
Pesa Nane
#7710 Posted : Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:09:48 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
Waiting for the loan write offs to find out which bank was swimming naked


Quote:
The banks, which include big lenders Equity, KCB Group, Commercial Bank of Africa and Co-operative Bank, will form a new company (special purpose vehicle) through which they will own shares in the struggling national carrier. Jamii Bora, I&M Bank, NIC Bank and Ecobank, Chase Bank, National Bank and Diamond Trust Bank complete the list of lenders that have outstanding loans with the airline.



Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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