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Is Taking a Mortgage the WORST Decision Ever??
limanika
#761 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 6:07:59 AM
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Xymalos wrote:
popat wrote:
I speak out of experience.I did a flat along Thika road sometimes before the highway was done.Thats was sometimes back in 2009.It was my first project and I was really excited.I use to get offers of land along the highway and the Eastern bypass,that I could readily afford with the money's I was using constructing.Fast forward 2013.The house was done guaranting me passive 250k p.m.but I can assure today I wish I bought land with all the 15m I used.id be worth more than 400m going by the value of the land I dissed those days. I would be doing same house from sales proceeds and believe you me I'd be having four or more flats of what I have now.Any young man shud invest in premium lands and not rush into building.My two cents


With kids grown up and out of house, I am considering selling my maisonette in a quarter (1/4) acre piece of land that can fetch 15 million and sell some plots to construct a flat/apartment complex in a good neighbourhood that can give me a passive income of at least 300K/month. I am happy living in the Penthouse. This income would give me financial freedom and liberate me from 8-5 job, thereby enjoy life more abundantly - maybe just travel, enjoy hobbies etc. Your thoughts - is this a wise idea or bad idea? Any downsides?

By current rates, to make 300k pm from rental you need to spend upwards of 30m. Unless you are versed with nitty gritties of construction A-Z and king of cost saving like the proverbial Pablo. My 2 cents.
Xymalos
#762 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 7:40:30 AM
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limanika wrote:
Xymalos wrote:
popat wrote:
I speak out of experience.I did a flat along Thika road sometimes before the highway was done.Thats was sometimes back in 2009.It was my first project and I was really excited.I use to get offers of land along the highway and the Eastern bypass,that I could readily afford with the money's I was using constructing.Fast forward 2013.The house was done guaranting me passive 250k p.m.but I can assure today I wish I bought land with all the 15m I used.id be worth more than 400m going by the value of the land I dissed those days. I would be doing same house from sales proceeds and believe you me I'd be having four or more flats of what I have now.Any young man shud invest in premium lands and not rush into building.My two cents


With kids grown up and out of house, I am considering selling my maisonette in a quarter (1/4) acre piece of land that can fetch 15 million and sell some plots to construct a flat/apartment complex in a good neighbourhood that can give me a passive income of at least 300K/month. I am happy living in the Penthouse. This income would give me financial freedom and liberate me from 8-5 job, thereby enjoy life more abundantly - maybe just travel, enjoy hobbies etc. Your thoughts - is this a wise idea or bad idea? Any downsides?

By current rates, to make 300k pm from rental you need to spend upwards of 30m. Unless you are versed with nitty gritties of construction A-Z and king of cost saving like the proverbial Pablo. My 2 cents.


Limanika - I have limited experience in construction and believe in letting professionals (architects, engineers, QS etc) do the job. You are right, 30m+ will be the cost; I have glanced at Institute of Quantity Surveys construction guide posted at this --link-- and can roughly estimate the cost to be 30m+ based on overall square meters. By retiring from 8-5 job, I hope to withdraw my retirement savings to go towards construction. I am determined to avoid construction loans due to their unpredictable variable interest rates.
limanika
#763 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 8:44:25 AM
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Ok xyma, all the best. When done with project you could buy some land in outskirts and do some farming, just to keep you busy.
Pesa Nane
#764 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 9:06:43 AM
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Xymalos wrote:

With kids grown up and out of house, I am considering selling my maisonette in a quarter (1/4) acre piece of land that can fetch 15 million and sell some plots to construct a flat/apartment complex in a good neighbourhood that can give me a passive income of at least 300K/month. I am happy living in the Penthouse. This income would give me financial freedom and liberate me from 8-5 job, thereby enjoy life more abundantly - maybe just travel, enjoy hobbies etc. Your thoughts - is this a wise idea or bad idea? Any downsides?


caveat
obiero wrote:
I have a running court case since 2009.. Nikiskia Kitengela (replace with "land") ndio BP inapanda
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
mulla
#765 Posted : Monday, December 07, 2015 6:48:54 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Xymalos wrote:

With kids grown up and out of house, I am considering selling my maisonette in a quarter (1/4) acre piece of land that can fetch 15 million and sell some plots to construct a flat/apartment complex in a good neighbourhood that can give me a passive income of at least 300K/month. I am happy living in the Penthouse. This income would give me financial freedom and liberate me from 8-5 job, thereby enjoy life more abundantly - maybe just travel, enjoy hobbies etc. Your thoughts - is this a wise idea or bad idea? Any downsides?


caveat
obiero wrote:
I have a running court case since 2009.. Nikiskia Kitengela (replace with "land") ndio BP inapanda


@obiero...what happened in Kitengela? multiple ownership and fake title deeds??
MaichBlack
#766 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2016 1:52:53 PM
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Unaffordable mortgages. Only 22,000 mortgages in the country!

And these are mostly people putting up commercial buildings - malls, offices etc. - and can charge a premium to afford the loan repayments!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Swenani
#767 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2016 2:21:20 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Unaffordable mortgages. Only 22,000 mortgages in the country!

And these are mostly people putting up commercial buildings - malls, offices etc. - and can charge a premium to afford the loan repayments!!!


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According to a report by real estate and investment firm Cytonn, apartments can only be affordable to the mass market at 8 per cent with detached houses at 3 per cent


Even the government does;nt borrow at those rates and the yields from T-bills and bonds is way above that; so why would banks give you a mortagage at 3% when they can buy t-bills and bonds at 10%+?

They should have asked government to use the monetary policies to manage interest rates
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Impunity
#768 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2016 2:27:44 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Unaffordable mortgages. Only 22,000 mortgages in the country!

And these are mostly people putting up commercial buildings - malls, offices etc. - and can charge a premium to afford the loan repayments!!!


In mayuu countries Mogej rates are at 3 to 6%...hii yetu ya 23% and variable cant make it.
Portfolio: Sold
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alma1
#769 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40:59 PM
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I will begin by saying that this is one of the super threads on this forum even surpassing the KQ thread.

I can reliably claim that the dreaded property burst is here with us. I can say that reliably because I have personally gone through a property burst and the data coming in is evident and the gimmicks now being applied by land selling companies.

According to a story I read recently there shall be 25 more high rise properties coming up in Nairobi in the next 5 years. However, the current high rises in Westlands, Upper Hill, City Centre remain unoccupied. If you don't believe me, step out of your car and walk. Don't read Cynton or Hass Consult reports, just take a walk.

The financing of properties in Kenya is just ridiculous to say the truth. It is easier to buy a kashamba in Florida and Kent UK than it is to buy a kabroti in Maili Sita.

That's why you should not be awed by someone who has an apartment in Lowell Ma, the fellow is only paying about 70k a month for a his mortgage. In Kenya, that is not rent in South C. Tafakari hayo.

Of course someone shall say that Kenya is not USA. I'll tell him that property is property.

If there is poor financing in property, then prices shall and must take a tumble. That is economics 101 and not patritism.

But it is time this happened. Too much land in Kenya is bought through illegal means. Fake titles, fake acquisitions, fake money enve the owners are called private developers.

Why do I say that it is happening now?

As I said, take a walk around. See how many tubrotis are up for grabs. Of course the developers cannot reduce the pricing since they have to pay the loans. But it is happening as we speak.

I have friends with land around Kikuyu, Thika road etc that people are just looking at and then saying "we shall come tommorow".

Property bursts are not reported in the newspapers. If they are, it is too late.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Swenani
#770 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2016 2:47:14 PM
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alma1 wrote:
I will begin by saying that this is one of the super threads on this forum even surpassing the KQ thread.

I can reliably claim that the dreaded property burst is here with us. I can say that reliably because I have personally gone through a property burst and the data coming in is evident and the gimmicks now being applied by land selling companies.

According to a story I read recently there shall be 25 more high rise properties coming up in Nairobi in the next 5 years. However, the current high rises in Westlands, Upper Hill, City Centre remain unoccupied. If you don't believe me, step out of your car and walk. Don't read Cynton or Hass Consult reports, just take a walk.

The financing of properties in Kenya is just ridiculous to say the truth. It is easier to buy a kashamba in Florida and Kent UK than it is to buy a kabroti in Maili Sita.

That's why you should not be awed by someone who has an apartment in Lowell Ma, the fellow is only paying about 70k a month for a his mortgage. In Kenya, that is not rent in South C. Tafakari hayo.

Of course someone shall say that Kenya is not USA. I'll tell him that property is property.

If there is poor financing in property, then prices shall and must take a tumble. That is economics 101 and not patritism.

But it is time this happened. Too much land in Kenya is bought through illegal means. Fake titles, fake acquisitions, fake money enve the owners are called private developers.

Why do I say that it is happening now?

As I said, take a walk around. See how many tubrotis are up for grabs. Of course the developers cannot reduce the pricing since they have to pay the loans. But it is happening as we speak.

I have friends with land around Kikuyu, Thika road etc that people are just looking at and then saying "we shall come tommorow".

Property bursts are not reported in the newspapers. If they are, it is too late.


Can one get to buy a house in distress at a bargain? Not a house in sokyimau or those estates with overpriced houses and plots without supporting infrastructure!
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