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Ni kujaribu tu hapa na kule If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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Let me leave this here https://www.businessdail...financial-clouds-3736058
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,066
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[quote=obiero]Let me leave this here https://www.businessdail...inancial-clouds-3736058[/quote] "When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact." (Warren Buffet)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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My 2 cents wrote:[quote=obiero]Let me leave this here https://www.businessdail...inancial-clouds-3736058[/quote] "When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact." (Warren Buffet) @Maka will tell you that a lot of good has happened at KQ in the last few years
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:Zichi wrote:Cargo ops in DRC will not be on the Embraer, but on the 737 freighter. And, the rights are between South Africa and DRC.
Embraers have been wet leased to boost Congo air Capacity. The two 5YFFL/FFM are the ones Sebastian brought in to replace the damaged ones.
This should help reduce monthly maintenance bill for idle planes. It is possible for KQ to utilise the two planes instead of sending them to DRC. There are routes which need to be reactivated but the commercial and the overall management is totally not capable. We are in a post-Covid environment where things are picking up, the world is now starting to live with Covid. UK just removed Kenya from the red list. What are the implications? You need to build the connecting passengers by opening the routes in Africa in order for the routes to Europe to be viable. There is either something wrong with the Management in terms of their capability skills to run an Airline or they are serving partisan interests. Look at what the other Airlines are doing right now and they are all in a cash strapped status but they are ramping up operations. ET fleet are all being flown. Their aircraft utilisation rates is just mind boggling. They have reactivated 99.9% of their fleet except a few Q400. The management knows exactly what need to be done - utilise planes - build connecting traffic via Addis. https://www.newsaero.inf...9-en-location?true=4971
😬😬😬 possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:[quote=obiero]Let me leave this here https://www.businessdail...inancial-clouds-3736058[/quote] "When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact." (Warren Buffet) @Maka will tell you that a lot of good has happened at KQ in the last few years A turnaround like no other. Return to profitability is more or less guaranteed now 
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/2/2010 Posts: 1,066
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Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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My 2 cents wrote:Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2019. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough.  possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2019. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough. Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough. Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough. Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here. @maka come clean bwana. you know majority were dismissals and not voluntary exits, how do we pay arrears to a dismissed staff
HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:My 2 cents wrote:Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough. Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here. @maka come clean bwana. you know majority were dismissals and not voluntary exits, how do we pay arrears to a dismissed staff Always the comedian...🤣🤣🤣🤣 https://allafrica.com/stories/202111080310.htmlpossunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:obiero wrote:[quote=My 2 cents]Have these accounts provided for the staff costs that KQ will have to back pay. Remember staff are on reduced salaries and were promised that the cuts would not only be made good but backdated once profitability was restored.
Before covid KQ was spending Kes 16 Billion a year on staff costs.
So assume they have been paying 50% for two years; that means they have a potential liability of more than 16B over the 2 covid years.
It will be a long long long journey back to profitability. Over half of the KQ staff have been exited, nothing like backdated salaries Around 1200 or so guys have left... Some opted for VEP others never got their contracts renewed. Those who took VEP were paid their deferred pay those who have remained are still owed deferred pay since 2020. It is a terrible situation. I know a few guys who exited end of Nov and negotiated a package, they haven't receive a cent till now we are in April. Also remember KQ owes waived taxes on the deferred pay. They don't have cash to pay that as well. Really effed up company. Allan keeps saying he is waiting for that 20BN from gava it won't be enough. Some math... if someone earning a Gross of around 250k was owed around 1.1m in deferred pay at the time of leaving KQ on Jan 31st 2021. How much will someone earning 750k be owed? Please note deferred pay continued accruing after the VEP guys left... Also take note that only 2 pilots took VEP. So the bulk who remained 400 or so and earn like 40% of the total employee costs are owed that cash now add the BLT (Business Leadership Team the senior guys like 30-40 of them) this is def running into Billions. It is a very sad situation. Next year the excuse will be high fuel costs etc etc. No hope here. @maka come clean bwana. you know majority were dismissals and not voluntary exits, how do we pay arrears to a dismissed staff Always the comedian...🤣🤣🤣🤣 https://allafrica.com/stories/202111080310.html[/quote] These were terminations. Recall comes with new contract. Hatulipi. The airline lost 1,123 employees to close 2020 with 3,652, in a period when coronavirus-related air travel restrictions saw it record the highest loss in its history. Half of the airline staff left through resignations or voluntary early retirements.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/2/2012 Posts: 1,134 Location: Nairobi
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Haiya!
@Obiero is still on thing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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chiaroscuro wrote:Haiya!
@Obiero is still on thing?
De ting ting. Millions zangu ziko hapo bana. I can't just forget about it
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,515 Location: nairobi
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It will be bought. Hope is eternal. Like a phoenix, The Pride of Africa is rising https://www.businessdail...bn-state-bailout-3783006
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/24/2017 Posts: 44
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I haven't seen a number of KQ 737s on flight radar lately. Has the restructuring began?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Zichi wrote:I haven't seen a number of KQ 737s on flight radar lately. Has the restructuring began? I believe some have been grounded... Actually some site shows a couple haven't operated for more than 20 days... Let me ask my intelligence officers on the ground. What I know is that suspensions have been thrown left, right and center esp in the Engineering Dept... possunt quia posse videntur
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