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VituVingiSana
#61 Posted : Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:54:18 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
@mwafrika31 - Stop payukaring your ignorance! Please answer these simple questions:

What car do you drive? [I bet it is not nyayo car. If yes, do you push it to work daily?]
What phone(s) do you use? [Made in China, China, China, India. Ama you built one with 2 cans so Telkom can compete?]
Do you use M-Pesa or Zap or Obo-pay? [None are 'Kenyan' but licensed. Or you use Camel Express that serves NE Kenya?]
Do you drink beer? If yes, which brand? [Most of the Hops & loads of Barley is imported. Unless u drink kumi kumi. Or maybe you drunk too much kumi kumi]
Do you use a laptop? What brand? [No Kenyan firm has the ability to assemble a decent laptop at a decent price. A slate & piece of chalk is not the laptop I am referring to]

I will take you head on... If you can take you receipts for the past 1 month & we will compare who buys more Kenyan stuff...

Bure Kabisa... I am 100% sure you are one of those msalitis like ka-loser who preaches water but drinks wine...

BTW, please ask wazua to create a non-English sections for you... I have been lucky enough to travel the world & English got me much, much further than any vernacular or Kiswahili... Even in nearby Kampala, more Ugandans speak English than Kiswahili...

Wannabe-American? LOLest... Check the LOOONNNGGG lines at the USA Embassy... Kenyans want to go the USA in droves not the other way round... Apparently, I have good company ;-)
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#62 Posted : Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:05:15 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
@Mwafrika31 - Since this is an investing site please translate this into Kisawhili bila Kamusi!!!

Bond
Derivative
Credit
Debit
Capital
Debenture
Restructuring
Margin
Alpha
Beta
Gamma
Delta
Preference Shares
Convertible Preference Shares
Convertible Debentures
Equity-linked Debetrures
Treasury Bills
Treasury Bonds
Gilts
Blue Chips

LOLest... Even Ciano would be hard-pressed trying to explain the Conversion, Debentures, Loans, etc in Kiswahili...

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly In my shaagz... English is considered far more important coz you can do progress much further in the world... After all, we have one of our own as the American Top Dog... [ Now, would you say he is a wannabe-Kenyan? ]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#63 Posted : Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:48:04 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 3/24/2010
Posts: 6,779
Location: Black Africa
VituVingiSana wrote:
@Mwafrika31 - Since this is an investing site please translate this into Kisawhili bila Kamusi!!!

Bond
Derivative
Credit
Debit
Capital
Debenture
Restructuring
Margin
Alpha
Beta
Gamma
Delta
Preference Shares
Convertible Preference Shares
Convertible Debentures
Equity-linked Debetrures
Treasury Bills
Treasury Bonds
Gilts
Blue Chips

LOLest... Even Ciano would be hard-pressed trying to explain the Conversion, Debentures, Loans, etc in Kiswahili...

Laughing out loudly VVS, haha. Once I read Mwafrika's comments, I knew your reply was set to be one of your masterpieces. By the way, is it true that Tanzanians study Chemistry in Kiswahili? smile
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Gordon Gekko
#64 Posted : Sunday, August 15, 2010 9:57:21 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/27/2008
Posts: 3,760
Mazee @vvs did someone call Merali god?Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
VituVingiSana
#65 Posted : Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:32:55 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Gordon Gekko wrote:
Mazee @vvs did someone call Merali god?Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
In my Church... the jamaa would be excommunicated! Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Mwafrika31
#66 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 5:06:37 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 6/18/2010
Posts: 95
VituVingiSana wrote:
@mwafrika31 - Stop payukaring your ignorance! Please answer these simple questions:

What car do you drive? [I bet it is not nyayo car. If yes, do you push it to work daily?]
What phone(s) do you use? [Made in China, China, China, India. Ama you built one with 2 cans so Telkom can compete?]
Do you use M-Pesa or Zap or Obo-pay? [None are 'Kenyan' but licensed. Or you use Camel Express that serves NE Kenya?]
Do you drink beer? If yes, which brand? [Most of the Hops & loads of Barley is imported. Unless u drink kumi kumi. Or maybe you drunk too much kumi kumi]
Do you use a laptop? What brand? [No Kenyan firm has the ability to assemble a decent laptop at a decent price. A slate & piece of chalk is not the laptop I am referring to]

I will take you head on... If you can take you receipts for the past 1 month & we will compare who buys more Kenyan stuff...

Bure Kabisa... I am 100% sure you are one of those msalitis like ka-loser who preaches water but drinks wine...

BTW, please ask wazua to create a non-English sections for you... I have been lucky enough to travel the world & English got me much, much further than any vernacular or Kiswahili... Even in nearby Kampala, more Ugandans speak English than Kiswahili...

Wannabe-American? LOLest... Check the LOOONNNGGG lines at the USA Embassy... Kenyans want to go the USA in droves not the other way round... Apparently, I have good company ;-)


@ v vs
You miss the point and present a well worn argument. I am not advocating for the rejection of technology in the name of patriotism. All those manufactures you have spoken of are useful and needed and not produced in Kenya. There is nothing wrong in either buying or using them. Our difference in opinion strictly comes from our world views. You are looking at the situation from a personal view point, I am looking at it from a public policy viewpoint. This does not create a contradiction in my position.

Why is there poverty? is the question I'm interested is escavating. Ultimately, it is because Kenya's economy is not very productive. Even manufactures that are relatively low-tech are not fabricated within the economy. Like a simple bicycle. All I'm saying is that we keep ourselves poor by this import binge. We should seek to manufacture the simple things that we can, like textiles, and import what would not be economically viable to produce domestically. The strong opposition to this idea among the westernized mentally colonized elite is what I'm railing against. When Nakumatt imports chicken from France totally cutting off domestic producers, then something is seriously wrong. The fact that policy makers find this acceptable is tantamount to treason. After all, who are the idiots meant to represent? France businesses or Kenyan business?

You say that no Kenyan firm has the ability to assemble a laptop, don't you see that this is precisely the issue. Why is this? According to the World Bank, Kenyas GDP (total amount of money we collectively make) is a paltry $30 Billion! Samsung, a single company that began as a jua kali operation, made a profit of $12 billion in 2009. Just one company's profit was 2 times GoK's entire budget.

My position is that poverty is immoral and unacceptable, you've become used to it, so it does not move you. The plight of the poor pains me greatly, and I believe that each and every action and sacrifice be made to alleviate the appalling poverty. If people like you have to sacrifice a Kshs 50,000 foreign iphone then so be it. But I'm talking to myself and I know it.......
Spend.thrift
#67 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 9:11:40 AM
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Joined: 8/11/2009
Posts: 302
@Mwafrika I concur with you on your "public policy viewpoint". I have never understood why a Kenyan walks into a supermarket and throws a tray of "Proudly South African" eggs onto his/her trolley.

However, you can do only so much to protect inefficient industries. How can sugar made in Brazil and transported over the seas end up being cheaper "and cleaner" than the same made in Mumias just a 6hour truck journey away?

The thread was about Uchumi. I say I'm happy to hear they are back to stream. But To win customers, they must give value-this is what Nakumatt has excelled at. I had a ladey Friend from Canada visiting who was marvelled a the level of customer care exhibited by Nakumatt. Having shopped at the IKEAs in Rome and two other European location, I would say Nakumatt is at par.

In my organisational development consultancies I have always used Nakumatt and Uchumi to explain what core values mean. I am sure you know what I mean. If you don't just walk into an Uchumi and shopping (especially the one that involves asking questions before buying or returning defective appliances). The next month or shopping episode, walk into Nakumatt and you will know what I mean.

youcan'tstopusnow
#68 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 9:39:00 AM
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Joined: 3/24/2010
Posts: 6,779
Location: Black Africa
I believe in the power of choice. Even God doesn't force people to make certain choices. If someone prefers to buy sukuma wiki imported from Chechnya instead of those cultivated in Kenya, no problem. It is called FREEDOM OF CHOICE and is safeguarded in constitutions the world over. Now, back to Uchumi, I must say I am looking forward to its re-listing. I also agree that since it was already listed, they shouldn't have been subjected to the same procedures when re-listing as a new entrant into the NSE. Many listed firms are currently making losses. We don't see them being de-listed until they make profits for 3 consecutive years like Uchumi was being asked. Something the CMA needs to look into.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
jguru
#69 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 10:14:21 AM
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Joined: 10/25/2007
Posts: 1,574
Spend.thrift wrote:
@Mwafrika ...Having shopped at the IKEAs in Rome and two other European location, I would say Nakumatt is at par.


The European businesses fall flat on their faces when it comes to service. The service industry in Europe is right there at the bottom, next to agriculture. When you shop at COOP, REWE, Aldi, Lidl or REAL you quickly appreciate the Kenyan UCHUMI and Nakumatt where the attendants even roll your shopping, chatting with you, to your car. smile
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
yekeyeke
#70 Posted : Monday, August 16, 2010 11:04:05 AM
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Joined: 6/4/2008
Posts: 345
Yes and not to mention the business of charging you for a plastic bag. Do they expect people to go with kiodos to the supermarket? These SA, EU and US seprmarkets have very poor service indeed.
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