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Jkwaititu
#121 Posted : Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:06:08 PM
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[quote=Rahatupu@Wa_ithaka, black cotton is tricky, though depends on depth to the rock or murram. if its not too deep (<5 feet) you may factor in cost of excavation, maybe 100k-120K per 100 by 50 plot. Else if its deep beyound 6 feet consider suspending the house. This will reduce the cost of back-filling once the foundation is ongoing.

For red soil there is no excavation cost as you can dig trenches right to the rocky bottom. [/quote]


@rahatupu, very useful information here...thanx. Btw i was considering buying an old lorry to help save $$$ on excavation costs. Where does that soil go? and what do soil dumpsites charge? any idea?
Rahatupu
#122 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:02:32 AM
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Wa_ithaka, resilience is critical here do a trial/test pit to check the depth of the black cotton soil. While it depends on your pockets, the cost of land in red soil areas tends to be higher than in black cotton areas. Then there is the issue of marshiness of the area vis a vis depth. Do the test pit and let me knw your "strategic location" pls.
Wa_ithaka
#123 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:04:46 AM
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Rahatupu
#124 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:15:35 AM
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@Jkwaititu, the lorry idea much depends on the scale of construction and the area the construction will be at. Savings on transport costs is only significant on huge construction sites costing over 20m. Because you won't want to start managing the small small details of diesel theft, weigh bridge bribes, vijana charges etc.
Pablo
#125 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 12:49:08 PM
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@jkwaititu

That old lorry will finish your budget for building. Managing an old truck is not for the feint hearted. Not that I am suggesting you are smile
fantony
#126 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:07:53 PM
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please advise us about your progress and completion when you are done... this thread is unbelievable... 14k per square meter???

why did i bother to school coz i think i am the fool here? if i am not then majority of contributors of the last 10 posts are fools (pardon me, fool means 'one who is yet to gain experience')..

what are we going to be doing next... calcining/making cement at the backs of our houses... making roofing tiles out of mud and plumbing using bamboo sticks... with this kind of technology who needs plumbing any way?
fantony
#127 Posted : Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:09:00 PM
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please advise us about your progress and completion when you are done... this thread is unbelievable... 14k per square meter???

why did i bother to school coz i think i am the fool here? if i am not then majority of contributors of the last 10 posts are fools (pardon me, fool means 'one who is yet to gain experience')..

what are we going to be doing next... calcining/making cement at the backs of our houses... making roofing tiles out of mud and plumbing using bamboo sticks... with this kind of technology who needs plumbing any way?
Pablo
#128 Posted : Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:05:52 AM
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Did anyone catch KTN's Business Weekly. They had a special report on the construction industry.
alpha2
#129 Posted : Friday, June 11, 2010 2:32:35 PM
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Question to everyone..
When constructing in an area that has black cotton soil, why do we dig up the whole area and then fill it up again with murram/red soil? Why not create an underground parking or garage? would that make the building weaker??
I remember paying for tonnes and tonnes of murram to fill up a 6-7 feet deep hole and now in hindsight i wonder if it wouldnt have been cheaper to put a slab and an under ground garage..or even storage space.
Chaka
#130 Posted : Friday, June 11, 2010 5:17:02 PM
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@alpha2,
I once saw someone create a 'basement' in a 7X20 meter plot in the lines of what you are thinking.The problem was that when the rains started ,the basement became an underground water tank!(If you know what I mean..)
Rahatupu
#131 Posted : Friday, June 11, 2010 5:35:18 PM
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@Alpha2, a smart and excellent idea, to create the basement parking. AS Chaka has highlighted, the problem comes to mitigating flood water. You have to invest handsomely in good engineering works. The cost almost comes to the more or less the same as back filling if not more. The expertise is in most cases what is lacking, and when available could be costly and not 100% assured.
Much Know
#132 Posted : Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:15:11 PM
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Why struggle so hard when you can get a free apartment thanks to Raila! I understand the rent for the next row in kibera to be allocated free houses has shot from kes200 to kes20,000/-, not bad for a free house where Clever Raila has a system to ensure the apartment worth kes3million, is owner occupied at kes1000 p.a, the only qualification being where in kibera you live. Talk of a dangerous crowd pleaser (all this after the rich mans poor mans maize). Get ready for the most crowd pleasing thick prezy ever
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kenstat
#133 Posted : Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:29:00 PM
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Keep the political nonsense to the political forums/topics. This thread is going to be a book for kenyan do it oyursekfers. Bure tu.


Much Know wrote:
Why struggle so hard when you can get a free apartment thanks to Raila! I understand the rent for the next row in kibera to be allocated free houses has shot from kes200 to kes20,000/-, not bad for a free house where Clever Raila has a system to ensure the apartment worth kes3million, is owner occupied at kes1000 p.a, the only qualification being where in kibera you live. Talk of a dangerous crowd pleaser (all this after the rich mans poor mans maize). Get ready for the most crowd pleasing thick prezy ever

alpha2
#134 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:12:08 PM
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Construction Cost of a Flat
For those who have been looking for the cost of constructing a block of flats, you have your answer now!!There is a story in the Daily Nation about the police flats that had to be demolished at Central Police Station..Each of the block had 16 two-bedroom self contained houses and total cost (they were ready for occupation) was 16million..Of course u have to factor in the kick backs that were most likely paid, but u have a figure to work with..
Chaka
#135 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:19:16 PM
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@Alpa2,
Cost of the land?
Gatheuzi
#136 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:16:42 PM
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alpha2 wrote:
Construction Cost of a Flat
For those who have been looking for the cost of constructing a block of flats, you have your answer now!!There is a story in the Daily Nation about the police flats that had to be demolished at Central Police Station..Each of the block had 16 two-bedroom self contained houses and total cost (they were ready for occupation) was 16million..Of course u have to factor in the kick backs that were most likely paid, but u have a figure to work with..


The units on each flat were 8. so that brings the cost per flat to about Ksh2M. I don't know about the size in sqm but they looked standard.
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Pablo
#137 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:48:33 AM
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A standard 2br flat is approximately 80 - 100SqM. This would include all amenities plus a balcony.

In my view the cost mentioned of 2M per flat would be cost of a turnkey project where the contractor does everything and hands you the keys. Finishes would be average.

To construct an 16 block unit of 2Br flats with good finishes would definately not be more than 80SqM x 14,000/- per Sq M x 16 = 18 - 22M. This works out to between 1.1M - 1.4M per flat.

However it also depends on the type of soil.
nimimi
#138 Posted : Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:18:13 AM
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@a4architect - How much would the all inclusive cost of a 3 bedroom (master ensuite) 105 sq. metre bungalow in kitengela cost to construct? Like the ones done by Gachewa?
Tito44
#139 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:18:34 PM
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@Rahatupu - How much did it cost you to do the foundation for your flat?
newfarer
#140 Posted : Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:49:09 PM
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nimimi wrote:
@a4architect - How much would the all inclusive cost of a 3 bedroom (master ensuite) 105 sq. metre bungalow in kitengela cost to construct? Like the ones done by Gachewa?



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