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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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I wonder what the VC was meant to do. Letting the police to the halls was as a last resort. When people burn their dorms and classes is a sign that the madness has gone too far. I remember Nyayo dorms being built. Where next would they have burned?
I saw those hooligans running out of the campus laughing as if nothing happened with our dear policemen scaring them. Bure kabisa. Lost generation. lost future. Lost country. Lets get back to basics and find out what went long where.
Fundamentals + Sentiments = Position
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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These are not kids like some of you would want us to believe....the police are not expected to treat the university students the same way the would treat High school kids.
life is too short to blend in
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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all should know that no one is supporting hooliganism in the KU thing. all should also understand that hard talk,has never solved anything. we should not pretend that there is no underlying causes/problems in the whole saga. Even in your own house.....have anyone ever asked oneself why people smoke bang,use drugs when we all know its wrong. Stop pretending,....unless we are discussing with people direct from class eight with no secondary or tertially institutions. the truth shall set you free..... "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@nanfor
You seem to suggest other people here have shallow arguments? What is wrong with dressing decently? Why do organisations have dress codes? Some so stiff that ladies can not work without their jackets on..... Until recently,bankers wore uniforms - literally.... Airlines still do. these students are not even being asked to wear UNIFORMS just (as leona said) to wear CLOTHES..... Is that so hard to understand? You dont have to be christian,muslim,hindu or at all religious for your to be decent........do you? How deep is the argument about wearing indecently,advocating for violence directed to innocent motorists or even other students,to justifying burning down of the same learning resources that the student are going to need for their education which their parents are paying through the nose for? and which has taken the institution so long to build? Are these the future leaders we are hoping for? do they understand how many students are going to graduate these few months while they are at home and who will be fighting for the few jobs in the market? someone said that the university students behave as if the university is a destination and he was very right..... they arent there for ever. even if they are not happy with the management,they should see it as a transit point and focus on their goals... ati you burn a whole building and IT Centre coz of 1000 bob!! And we are expected to understand how 'not' shallow their grievances are?????
No one is saying students have to be mistreated,but was that the only channel they had address their grievances?
Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/8/2009 Posts: 14
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suspending several students is a way of making sure that the administration has a security threat in people waiting to vend their revenge. http://gramware.blogspot.com
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/24/2008 Posts: 238
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Well said that we should learn from the experienced. I went to a public University and this I know:
A university student is a guest at the university for a very short time. One should make maximum use of this time in productive ways such as building friends and connections (these are invaluable once you graduate),testing your limits within legal bounds (dress as you wish,drink till 6.30 a.m.,date the impossibles,espouse radical views including support for lost political and social causes,change religion,) but by all means study for the course you enrolled. Your potential is limitless. The world out here is harsher than any VC. The bosses,the landlords,the traffic cop- all exercising some form of authority over you. There is no solution to be found in tackling problems 'out here' with violence. And as someone said,everything you do has consequences. It is strange that one hardly remembers any serious grudge with the university administration as you do with family,friends over the years. Those student leaders are basically stupid loud mouths and agents of political causes and forces that have little to do with being a university student. Good leadership at the university is rare and is to be found in other areas such as religious bodies,profession-oriented groups (e.g. AISEC,engineering student bodies etc) and not the umbrella leaders. These umbrella leaders will be your MPs who at the university were merely practising how to incite,charge and basically hoodwink less learned people,who must be easier. Approach your being a student as an opportunity rather than with a sense of entitlement. Those facilities have taken generations to put up. It might be the only place you get facilities at such subsidized costs. 'Out here' one earns and pays for everything they got. Whether you are taking a walk from 'modern green night club' or the girls hostels,or from any gathering,avoid the police- they are decent without uniform and are our brothers and sisters but when at work,pen and paper is not their tool of trade,their brains is not the most active part of their body and they have a particular allergy for university students that sends them into convulsions of violence. While at it,ji-enjoy. Man,university should be fun.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Sometimes I wonder if it is I with a problem. What world do majority of bloggers here live in. I have read 65 comments here and save for Nanfor and Burning spear. The rest are arrogant and disconnected from reality. The worst is those who are trying to justify dress codes,or dressing decently. How do you define decent. Most are condemning the students for burning and looting and completely ignoring the role played by the University Management. I was in a kenyan public University (Egerton) and I was never in the frontline of any strikes or demo's but I mostly supported them. What I remember is that before this strikes happened,the student leaders would hold a kamukunji and attempt to talk to the management over their issues. The strike/demo only went ahead if the two sides were unable to agree. I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/24/2007 Posts: 68
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That the universities are supposed to produce intellectuals to drive our vision of ever becoming a developed country. The same shallow minds who will see nothing wrong with burning dormitiries they sleep in and the library in the cumpus . Was this meant to punish the VC. Imagine you had a company and KU is you main source of work force. would you not fear that one day they will burn the company or its toilets in the pretext of fighting for their rights. WE ARE PRODUCING LEARNED FOOLS
muthuri mwanake
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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And please all. The burning of dormitories,the looting and stoning of cars has nothing to do with individuals. Its called 'GROUP DYNAMICS' surely you must know this. The easiest experiment to prove this is in cows. A single cow will never fall into a hole,but when they are spooked and they start a stampede,then they all follow the first cow into the same hole. I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/8/2009 Posts: 14
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the university has been functioning well without a dress code,same with other universities world wide. so why try to force one. ku is not a work place,where you apply for a job,and therefore you agree to the dress code http://gramware.blogspot.com
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