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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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hardwood wrote:
1m can complete the super structure and he/she moves in. Then he can do finishes pole pole. How do primary school teachers put up 3bdr+ permanent houses huko in the village? Do all use millions?.
Indeed. And we have not even started talking about precast and interlocking blocks to further reduce costs. I was shocked to see just how beautiful interlocking block homes (below) can be. And at 40-60% less cost than kawaida methods. It is insanity to pay more than 1.5m for a tu-simple bungalow construction these days.   
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,262 Location: nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:hardwood wrote:
1m can complete the super structure and he/she moves in. Then he can do finishes pole pole. How do primary school teachers put up 3bdr+ permanent houses huko in the village? Do all use millions?.
Indeed. And we have not even started talking about precast and interlocking blocks to further reduce costs. I was shocked to see just how beautiful interlocking block homes (below) can be. And at 40-60% less cost than kawaida methods. It is insanity to pay more than 1.5m for a tu-simple bungalow construction these days. A bank loan for an entry level TSC employee can easily reach KES 1,800,000 repayable over 72 months.. COOP, IMH, KQ, MTNU
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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hardwood wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:davidkenya wrote:hey folks can 1 million ksh build me a three bedroom house with a small kitchen inside,toilet and bathroom (combined).the roofing is of corrugated sheets , and the stones are artificially manufactured (what are they called?)the house should also have electricity and running water yes. need assistance? Its impossible, even with very basic finishing; unless its semipermanent little/no foundation Xaxa ona huyu,,,,,,,,😋😋 So everybody in Kenya who owns a ssbs house in Kenya is a multi-millioneer. Then Kenya must be a very real Wacha kelele bwana. Labor cost alone on a 3 bedroom permanent house can not be less than KES 200,000, materials even in resource rich location KES 500,000; relevant approvals KES 100,000, finishing KES 300,000.. And that is for a very basic house, hata septic, fence, plumbing, electric sijaweka kwa hii example.. Ukiona nyumbe permanent imesimama in 2018, jua more than 1m ilitumika 1m can complete the super structure and he/she moves in. Then he can do finishes pole pole. How do primary school teachers put up 3bdr+ permanent houses huko in the village? Do all use millions?. I am with Obiero on this one, and I have a little experience. My sister was insisting that she could do a bungalow with 1M huko Juja farm (granite, mabati roof and basic finishes). It is already past 1.5 before landscaping, fence and other basics. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Wakanyugi wrote:hardwood wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:davidkenya wrote:hey folks can 1 million ksh build me a three bedroom house with a small kitchen inside,toilet and bathroom (combined).the roofing is of corrugated sheets , and the stones are artificially manufactured (what are they called?)the house should also have electricity and running water yes. need assistance? Its impossible, even with very basic finishing; unless its semipermanent little/no foundation Xaxa ona huyu,,,,,,,,😋😋 So everybody in Kenya who owns a ssbs house in Kenya is a multi-millioneer. Then Kenya must be a very real Wacha kelele bwana. Labor cost alone on a 3 bedroom permanent house can not be less than KES 200,000, materials even in resource rich location KES 500,000; relevant approvals KES 100,000, finishing KES 300,000.. And that is for a very basic house, hata septic, fence, plumbing, electric sijaweka kwa hii example.. Ukiona nyumbe permanent imesimama in 2018, jua more than 1m ilitumika 1m can complete the super structure and he/she moves in. Then he can do finishes pole pole. How do primary school teachers put up 3bdr+ permanent houses huko in the village? Do all use millions?. I am with Obiero on this one, and I have a little experience. My sister was insisting that she could do a bungalow with 1M huko Juja farm (granite, mabati roof and basic finishes). It is already past 1.5 before landscaping, fence and other basics. Building a house is a journey, not an event. The trick is to start even if you have 1m. See where the 1 m gets you, then you can progress pole pole as funds become available. Otherwise you will never build a house if you wait to accumulate 10m in the bank so that you can start.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Wakanyugi wrote:
I am with Obiero on this one, and I have a little experience. My sister was insisting that she could do a bungalow with 1M huko Juja farm (granite, mabati roof and basic finishes). It is already past 1.5 before landscaping, fence and other basics.
Most likely "anakuliwa" by the foreman and his fundis. Women are easy prey in the rough and tumble construction industry. An example, a lady very close to me who claimed she was an "expert" in construction once took me to her unfinished house on the day she was about to get delivery for her window panes. I must admit the house was very impressive in terms of quality of work done up to that point, but when she told me how much she had spent, I shook my head in amazement. When I suggested alikuwa anakuliwa, she almost went ballistic. I think she thought I was trying to undermine her construction "expertise." So when I saw her reaction I kept quiet as a church mouse so as not to upset her further. Off we went to Singh with her fundis (who had drawn up the list of materials needed in terms of window panes, etc). At the counter the fundis unveil the mysterious list. Shocked beyond belief was me. The house was a maisonette but when I counted the amounts of panes they had put in the list, they were enough to cover all the windows at All Saints Cathedral with some left over for further usage. After the earlier response of ukali from the lady, I hesitated to point it out, but my moral compass would not let this slide. To cut a long story short I saved this lady 40k on that material day. But received no thanks from the "construction expert." These fundis and foremen are vultures my bradda. Even if you sit on site and help them open every single bag of cement and measure it (like I do) utakuliwa somehow vismall vismall somewhere else. The key is to minimise it because eliminating it is impossible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Amusing real estate conmanship habits in Kenya that I can never understand.
1. Bait and switch scam: An agent advertises in bold letters that he has a prime plot in "Kitengela" at a very appealing price per acre compared to prices in the area. You click the add with enthusiasm or call him urgently trying to get a site visit and he tells you it is in Isinya, Kajiado or Ilbissil and 5km from tarmac at that! Since when did those areas become "Kitengela." Sometimes you feel you want to throw such people into Lake Amboseli for wasting your time.
2. Runda -"View" scam: This one you already know of. Muchatha becomes "Runda View." Gachie becomes "Rosslyn View" and Maroroi/Kimuka becomes "Ngong view." Bure kabisa!
3. Terrible photo scam: Very prime area advertised for sale but with a terrible photo perhaps of the ground. You call the agent to find out where the place is and it quickly becomes numer 1 or number 2 above. Run like the wind whenever the agent puts a terrible photo in any advert anywhere.
4. Elusive title scam: This one usually applies to so called "40x80" or basically anything less than an 1/8th of an acre plotis. The area may be prime but please run away from these guys as fast as you can as there is no title for the plotis. If there is, those titles are 100% bandia. Run also when you start getting "stories" about title e.g. I have not subdivided yet, but as soon as you pay deposit I will subdivide. Danganya mwingine boss!
5. Black Cotton Soil scam: Be very very careful when buying plots on very sticky black cotton soil. They are usually found at the bottom of swampy areas or river valley beds. Ask the seller if you can bring your KYM guy to come and chimba a test hole to see how deep the murram or bedrock is. If he gives you stories trying to stop you from doing it, run. If he agrees and your KYM guy is still digging past 3 metres with no murram or bedrock in sight, run even faster!
Zingine?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/1/2007 Posts: 539 Location: Nakuru
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MugundaMan wrote:Amusing real estate conmanship habits in Kenya that I can never understand.
1. Bait and switch scam: An agent advertises in bold letters that he has a prime plot in "Kitengela" at a very appealing price per acre compared to prices in the area. You click the add with enthusiasm or call him urgently trying to get a site visit and he tells you it is in Isinya, Kajiado or Ilbissil and 5km from tarmac at that! Since when did those areas become "Kitengela." Sometimes you feel you want to throw such people into Lake Amboseli for wasting your time.
2. Runda -"View" scam: This one you already know of. Muchatha becomes "Runda View." Gachie becomes "Rosslyn View" and Maroroi/Kimuka becomes "Ngong view." Bure kabisa!
3. Terrible photo scam: Very prime area advertised for sale but with a terrible photo perhaps of the ground. You call the agent to find out where the place is and it quickly becomes numer 1 or number 2 above. Run like the wind whenever the agent puts a terrible photo in any advert anywhere.
4. Elusive title scam: This one usually applies to so called "40x80" or basically anything less than an 1/8th of an acre plotis. The area may be prime but please run away from these guys as fast as you can as there is no title for the plotis. If there is, those titles are 100% bandia. Run also when you start getting "stories" about title e.g. I have not subdivided yet, but as soon as you pay deposit I will subdivide. Danganya mwingine boss!
5. Black Cotton Soil scam: Be very very careful when buying plots on very sticky black cotton soil. They are usually found at the bottom of swampy areas or river valley beds. Ask the seller if you can bring your KYM guy to come and chimba a test hole to see how deep the murram or bedrock is. If he gives you stories trying to stop you from doing it, run. If he agrees and your KYM guy is still digging past 3 metres with no murram or bedrock in sight, run even faster!
Zingine? I like the Rundaview coz you can actually see Runda from Mucatha  For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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MugundaMan wrote:Amusing real estate conmanship habits in Kenya that I can never understand.
1. Bait and switch scam: An agent advertises in bold letters that he has a prime plot in "Kitengela" at a very appealing price per acre compared to prices in the area. You click the add with enthusiasm or call him urgently trying to get a site visit and he tells you it is in Isinya, Kajiado or Ilbissil and 5km from tarmac at that! Since when did those areas become "Kitengela." Sometimes you feel you want to throw such people into Lake Amboseli for wasting your time.
2. Runda -"View" scam: This one you already know of. Muchatha becomes "Runda View." Gachie becomes "Rosslyn View" and Maroroi/Kimuka becomes "Ngong view." Bure kabisa!
3. Terrible photo scam: Very prime area advertised for sale but with a terrible photo perhaps of the ground. You call the agent to find out where the place is and it quickly becomes numer 1 or number 2 above. Run like the wind whenever the agent puts a terrible photo in any advert anywhere.
4. Elusive title scam: This one usually applies to so called "40x80" or basically anything less than an 1/8th of an acre plotis. The area may be prime but please run away from these guys as fast as you can as there is no title for the plotis. If there is, those titles are 100% bandia. Run also when you start getting "stories" about title e.g. I have not subdivided yet, but as soon as you pay deposit I will subdivide. Danganya mwingine boss!
5. Black Cotton Soil scam: Be very very careful when buying plots on very sticky black cotton soil. They are usually found at the bottom of swampy areas or river valley beds. Ask the seller if you can bring your KYM guy to come and chimba a test hole to see how deep the murram or bedrock is. If he gives you stories trying to stop you from doing it, run. If he agrees and your KYM guy is still digging past 3 metres with no murram or bedrock in sight, run even faster!
Zingine? What about Expected Developments Scam? There's an airport, a university coming up. Or even SGR passing nearby
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/8/2018 Posts: 2,212 Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
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Lolest! wrote:
What about Expected Developments Scam? There's an airport, a university coming up. Or even SGR passing nearby
Oh yes Promising that a "Proposed" bypass will be coming "soon" next to the subject property. 10 years later after buying the buyer is still waiting Another one very similar to this one is that the properties are "right next to the SGR station" yet the reality is the SGR station they are talking about is a crossing station and not a passenger station and therefore of little use to the property owner.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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MugundaMan wrote:Lolest! wrote:
What about Expected Developments Scam? There's an airport, a university coming up. Or even SGR passing nearby
Oh yes Promising that a "Proposed" bypass will be coming "soon" next to the subject property. 10 years later after buying the buyer is still waiting Another one very similar to this one is that the properties are "right next to the SGR station" yet the reality is the SGR station they are talking about is a crossing station and not a passenger station and therefore of little use to the property owner. River beds n swampy areas.Agents selling plots near a river bed and swampy areas during prolonged dry season. Then when heavy rains comes, you realize you are in the middle of a swamp or your property is swept away by flood waters. I know of a really beautifully finished property that was abandoned in Rongai when rain season came and floods were raging. Advice:Look for a local elderly person near the area, buy him a choma while you inquire on the history of the property, especial during heavy rains before you commit. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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