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Mjengo ianze! Penny-Stocker and other gurus, help!
Surething
#61 Posted : Thursday, February 01, 2018 11:33:53 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 7/12/2016
Posts: 39
Location: Nairobi
Swenani wrote:
Depends on the size of your project,if small,find an architect and structural engineer who is willing to be paid per visit rather than a full time architect and structural engineer.


True, having those guys on the ground throughout for a small straight forward project is economic suicide..

However the key thing is to have your own man on the ground who is able to properly interpret the designs & see to it that the instructions of the engineers are implemented. I am currently doing a two storey development all the way in western & it is impractical for my engineers based in Nairobi to visit regularly, so what I did is get an experienced guy (clerk of works) with a diploma in civil engineering to give instructions to the foreman at the beginning of each stage, supervise the implementation as it is going on and inspect the final product which means visiting site at most thrice a week depending on activities. On the rare occasions he gets stuck he consults the engineers.
MugundaMan
#62 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2018 9:17:31 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/8/2018
Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
Experience so far on my project;

1. The moment the neighbourhood heard someone is breaking ground "soon" all manner of hangers on, milkers and con men in the area came looking for a juicy kill. Heard it all...everything from "pay me to plant and water your Kei Apple/Kayaba seedlings daily" to "pay me to chunga your gate lest thugs (most likely the same people offering the protection service) come at night and rip it off while you are asleep in Nairobi!" Then there are the water vendors. Every couple of hours they come by asking if you need water for anything, and their prices for the same are also inflated. And since our stima is not connected, stima extortionists next door who want as much as 3k for a few days of using theirs for welding works. Biggest lesson I have learned is to say no to all these vultures. Nothing bad has happened to me 'so far' from being firm about this.

2. You learn so much about an area simply by being on site daily. Jiranis come by when they see you working on your project, and if you are friendly enough, they will give you info you never would have imagined about the history of the plot and area. And if they have already built, insights on what to do and not to do. It also pays to be humble and establish rapport with them, no matter what their station is in life from the highest to the lowest. If they view you as an urban snob, that's how your gates and fixtures potea in a flash.

3. I reiterate that house construction is not rocket science my friends. Being on site with the foreman and fundis for three hours can teach you more than those complex sounding architects notes can in a decade on a small project (maisonette or bungalow). There is a certain calm joy and satisfaction in watching your dream home go up block by block. Especially if the design is coming up exactly as you had wanted it.

4. Also got a great tip about planting your fruit trees early and "mini-fencing" them to make it absolutely clear to the fundis not to interefere with them. That way by the time the house is done, the matundas might already start dropping from the trees like the garden of Eden.

5. It pays to be hands on kabisa and to buy ONLY the materials requisite for that day alone. My policy is nothing extra remains on site; to ward off temptation for thugs, thieves and even the fundis themselves. Doing things this way also helps you accurately track what is going into the house.

6. On tracking; I track every penny on a spreadsheet which is extremely helpful. I am already seeing huge variances in terms of what the BOQ is saying and what I am paying. Ati 3k for clearing bushes? With a slasher and a full afternoon, one can easily get that done by themselves. Plus its a free workout that keeps you trim and fit. I am saving a boatload on such things which should see my overall costs drop significantly once done

7. Don't tangaza all plans, even to the fundis, for example telling them you have all the money intact for the entire project. Otherwise they will assume you have 10m neatly sitting in the bank and will want to take a whack at it shilling by shilling. Even if you have the money, let them know you only have enough for one stage (eg foundation) and the rest you will have to "save/tafuta later." This I have found gives you good leverage in negotiating down prices as the fundis are always looking for work. Down days are not good days for them, so it is in their interest that your project goes on even if it means they lower their fees for you to keep the project moving.

Otherwise everything has been smooth so far. Will update in about 3 months time about how far the project has reached and what challenges I will have encountered by then.
FRM2011
#63 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2018 11:53:06 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459

For those who have projects running at the moment, I have a guy who can "better" your best offer on machine-cut stones, ballast and cement. Savings of over 20% on these materials.
Chaka
#64 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:16:44 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
Where is he based?send me his contacts,chakacrafts at gmail dot com

FRM2011 wrote:

For those who have projects running at the moment, I have a guy who can "better" your best offer on machine-cut stones, ballast and cement. Savings of over 20% on these materials.

Mukiri
#65 Posted : Sunday, April 15, 2018 6:55:47 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
MugundaMan wrote:
Experience so far on my project;

1. The moment the neighbourhood heard someone is breaking ground "soon" all manner of hangers on, milkers and con men in the area came looking for a juicy kill. Heard it all...everything from "pay me to plant and water your Kei Apple/Kayaba seedlings daily" to "pay me to chunga your gate lest thugs (most likely the same people offering the protection service) come at night and rip it off while you are asleep in Nairobi!" Then there are the water vendors. Every couple of hours they come by asking if you need water for anything, and their prices for the same are also inflated. And since our stima is not connected, stima extortionists next door who want as much as 3k for a few days of using theirs for welding works. Biggest lesson I have learned is to say no to all these vultures. Nothing bad has happened to me 'so far' from being firm about this.

2. You learn so much about an area simply by being on site daily. Jiranis come by when they see you working on your project, and if you are friendly enough, they will give you info you never would have imagined about the history of the plot and area. And if they have already built, insights on what to do and not to do. It also pays to be humble and establish rapport with them, no matter what their station is in life from the highest to the lowest. If they view you as an urban snob, that's how your gates and fixtures potea in a flash.

3. I reiterate that house construction is not rocket science my friends. Being on site with the foreman and fundis for three hours can teach you more than those complex sounding architects notes can in a decade on a small project (maisonette or bungalow). There is a certain calm joy and satisfaction in watching your dream home go up block by block. Especially if the design is coming up exactly as you had wanted it.

4. Also got a great tip about planting your fruit trees early and "mini-fencing" them to make it absolutely clear to the fundis not to interefere with them. That way by the time the house is done, the matundas might already start dropping from the trees like the garden of Eden.

5. It pays to be hands on kabisa and to buy ONLY the materials requisite for that day alone. My policy is nothing extra remains on site; to ward off temptation for thugs, thieves and even the fundis themselves. Doing things this way also helps you accurately track what is going into the house.

6. On tracking; I track every penny on a spreadsheet which is extremely helpful. I am already seeing huge variances in terms of what the BOQ is saying and what I am paying. Ati 3k for clearing bushes? With a slasher and a full afternoon, one can easily get that done by themselves. Plus its a free workout that keeps you trim and fit. I am saving a boatload on such things which should see my overall costs drop significantly once done

7. Don't tangaza all plans, even to the fundis, for example telling them you have all the money intact for the entire project. Otherwise they will assume you have 10m neatly sitting in the bank and will want to take a whack at it shilling by shilling. Even if you have the money, let them know you only have enough for one stage (eg foundation) and the rest you will have to "save/tafuta later." This I have found gives you good leverage in negotiating down prices as the fundis are always looking for work. Down days are not good days for them, so it is in their interest that your project goes on even if it means they lower their fees for you to keep the project moving.

Otherwise everything has been smooth so far. Will update in about 3 months time about how far the project has reached and what challenges I will have encountered by then.

mugundaman kumbe you can (try to)be useful at times Laughing out loudly
You sound like a very mean human being, your posts here are rife with oh help me this, nisaidie tafadhali na ... and then share how to say no to neighbors when they offer to vend the 20 bob water mtungis, notwithstanding how to dismiss professionals.

Proverbs 19:21
MugundaMan
#66 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 1:22:05 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/8/2018
Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
Mukiri wrote:
mugundaman kumbe you can (try to)be useful at times Laughing out loudly
You sound like a very mean human being, your posts here are rife with oh help me this, nisaidie tafadhali na ... and then share how to say no to neighbors when they offer to vend the 20 bob water mtungis, notwithstanding how to dismiss professionals.


Laughing out loudly. Somewhat accurate. 20 bob a mtungi may sound low to you, but remember that during construction, low sounding per unit costs add up very fast when you are buying hundreds and hundreds of the same. A nail for example costs next to zero until you have to buy two sacks of it.
edwinmukiri
#67 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 12:36:59 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 8/11/2014
Posts: 72
Location: Nairobi
MugundaMan wrote:
So after many years of toil and sweat, I've finally been blessed to scrape together a few decent plotis (a relatively prime 1/4 and a few 1/8ths in and around Nairoberry) with clean title in my name on which to start my mjengos. I could have started years back on the first plot but I figured that given the skyrocketing prices of properties in and around the big city, that would be putting the horse before the cart. Architect has designed the first mjengo for the 1/4 and we are about to ground break soon. He also wants to manage the project (to get his juicy contractor profit at my expense of course) but he doesn't know mjanja me will be getting my own foreman, sourcing my own materials, building in stages and joining in to soil my boots with koroga to save costs (thanks Penny-Stocker for those brilliant tips!). He has gone to great lengths to convince me that I need him to supervise at every stage, sourcing materials included (he's a good dreamer) but of course that will not be happening. My simple question is; at what stages (after approvals) do I really need this guy, assuming I have a good foreman? Can I cut him out completely after the approvals come in? Warm regards and thanks in advance.



Who is your Architect and how much did he charge you for the architectal drawing?
Bulls make money,bears make money and pigs get slaughtered.
starx
#68 Posted : Monday, April 16, 2018 1:20:21 PM
Rank: Hello

Joined: 12/1/2017
Posts: 7
Location: na
FRM2011 wrote:

For those who have projects running at the moment, I have a guy who can "better" your best offer on machine-cut stones, ballast and cement. Savings of over 20% on these materials.


tafadhali here josephonyangoxx@gmail.com
MugundaMan
#69 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:59:41 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/8/2018
Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
edwinmukiri wrote:

Who is your Architect and how much did he charge you for the architectal drawing?


He charged me an arm and a leg but that part was worth it because the finished design met and exceeded my expectations.
Mukiri
#70 Posted : Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:42:32 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
@Garana.. Hapa huwes saidika. That one takes but never gives. You are better off milking a stone

Proverbs 19:21
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