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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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To the dogs despite abundance of resources water and land. If Boers get DR Congo and South Sudan , I can't complain work to prosper
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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maka wrote:kysse wrote:This toddler country is going to the dogs, It's now become Mass ethnic killings. Loyal government soldiers,-The Dinka plus Innocent Civilians being targeted Rwanda style. Poor S. Sudan.Who will save you if you slaughter your own. So sad... cnn is reporting some 150 marines now deployed in djibouti preparing for intervention .Unless they silently go for machar grab him and ensure he disappers then they should be prepared for the long haul
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Khartoum should re-annex and rule SS. seems they were not ready to rule themselves.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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Kiir issued a decree, dismissing the entire cabinet, many of whom comprised of senior SPLM commanders.Plus, Machar had hinted at challenging him in SPLM leadership before the next elections. This is simply a power struggle that has been going on for months moving from the board room to the barracks and now, to the streets. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Just the other day we were celebrating the re-birth of a country called S.Sudan. And people moved there in droves to make a killing out of the massive resources and availability of cash. The haven't even began walking yet they are already slaughtering one other.
Bashir must be smiling broadly from his Palace.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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South Sudan 'mass grave' found as ethnic killings spreadQuote:The UN says a mass grave containing 75 bodies has been found in Bentiu in the north of South Sudan, amid spreading ethnic violence.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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kysse wrote:Just the other day we were celebrating the re-birth of a country called S.Sudan. And people moved there in droves to make a killing out of the massive resources and availability of cash. The haven't even began walking yet they are already slaughtering one other.
Bashir must be smiling broadly from his Palace.
Yes kysse. I am wondering how they had time to practise tribalism in the midst of a long civil war.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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The UN should not tell us about finding the mass graves but how far they have gone to quell the war. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Muriel wrote:kysse wrote:Just the other day we were celebrating the re-birth of a country called S.Sudan. And people moved there in droves to make a killing out of the massive resources and availability of cash. The haven't even began walking yet they are already slaughtering one other.
Bashir must be smiling broadly from his Palace.
Yes kysse. I am wondering how they had time to practise tribalism in the midst of a long civil war. with the neighbours they have, they've had plenty of practice Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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jaggernaut wrote:Where is Bensouda? That's a joke right there! I care!
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Pedes wrote:Kiir issued a decree, dismissing the entire cabinet, many of whom comprised of senior SPLM commanders.Plus, Machar had hinted at challenging him in SPLM leadership before the next elections. This is simply a power struggle that has been going on for months moving from the board room to the barracks and now, to the streets. And this is where Kiir went wrong, these were not political appointees serving at his behest, they put their lives in the line to fight Khartum domination hense earning their positions. Kiir is just a face of the struggle and cannot purpot to do away with the rest of the body without consequenses.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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xyzee wrote:Pedes wrote:Kiir issued a decree, dismissing the entire cabinet, many of whom comprised of senior SPLM commanders.Plus, Machar had hinted at challenging him in SPLM leadership before the next elections. This is simply a power struggle that has been going on for months moving from the board room to the barracks and now, to the streets. And this is where Kiir went wrong, these were not political appointees serving at his behest, they put their lives in the line to fight Khartum domination hense earning their positions. Kiir is just a face of the struggle and cannot purpot to do away with the rest of the body without consequenses. You see many here support the typical African ruler who believes power and resources belong to their village, heck even top dinka personalities including the Garang's are complaining but they would rather quote an article depicting Kiir as the perfect leader and failing to tell us why Kiir himself was once suspended from SPLA. Simply put, the problem with SS requires more than just grand standing from both parties!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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Kiir should have managed SPLM the way M7 managed the movement. If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2012 Posts: 136
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Tokyo wrote:JUBA, South Sudan — They were an unlikely pair to lead the world’s newest nation: from different tribal groups and different regions, having taken vastly different paths to power. President Salva Kiir, a field commander with little formal education, was known for his black cowboy hat. His vice president, Riek Machar, had earned a doctorate in Britain and preferred Western suits. The men are at the center of what could be the unraveling of this fragile African country into full-blown civil war, 2 1/2 years after it became an independent nation backed by USrael and its allies. In July, Kiir fired Machar, weary of his ambition and stinging criticism, and purged other political rivals from his cabinet as well. A week ago, after a faction of presidential guard soldiers loyal to Machar clashed with a group loyal to Kiir, the president publicly accused his former deputy of attempting to overthrow the government. Since then, the fighting has spread, leaving hundreds of soldiers and civilians dead. Nearly 40,000 people, South Sudanese and foreigners, have taken refuge at UN bases. By Sunday, soldiers who claim allegiance to Machar controlled the remote town of Bor and several other areas, reportedly including the vital oil-producing state of Unity. The State Dept is urging all US citizens to leave the country immediately and said it has evacuated 380 USAians and 300 other foreign nationals on charter and military flights. Three US aircraft seeking to rescue USAians from Bor were fired upon Saturday, injuring four US servicemen. Obama told congress crirrurs in a letter that he is prepared to take further action to protect US citizens and the embassy in Juba. Analysts and diplomats say they are not convinced that Machar was attempting a coup. Instead, they say, last week’s fighting was probably triggered by long-simmering ethnic and political tensions within the government and the military. But now the fighting appears to have become a move to overthrow the government, or at least significantly weaken its ability to rule large portions of the country. Eric Reeves, an analyst on South Sudan and a professor at Smith College in Massachusetts, said:
Kiir and Machar are very different men, with very different kinds of political instincts, and a very different standing with both the body politic of Sudan and, until recently, with the army. Given the ethnic diversity within the army, the events of the last days were, if not inevitable, all too likely. Kiir is honest but has been overwhelmed by the tasks of the presidenc,y in a new country that has seen no development efforts for decades. Kiir may resent Machar’s formal education and political glibness. Facts
The men’s rivalry reflects the turbulent path South Sudan has taken to independence, as well as the country’s uncertain political and economic future. Its people have endured one of Africa’s longest civil wars. Violent infighting split the rebel Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) in the 1990s. Since independence in 2011, political, ethnic and tribal rifts, along with growing corruption, have hindered the development of a unified national identity. Douglas Johnson, author of The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars, said:
What we are seeing in South Sudan is the convergence of two parallel conflicts that have been developing over time. One is the emergence of an internal opposition within the political party of the SPLM. The other growing conflict is within the army.
Machar has made it clear that he wants Kiir ousted. He told the French broadcaster RFI on Thursday, speaking from an undisclosed location:
He must go, because he can no longer maintain the unity of the people. Especially when he kills people like flies and tries to touch off conflicts on an ethnic basis.
The rivalry between Kiir and Machar stretches back more than two decades. Kiir is from the Dinka, South Sudan’s largest tribal group, while Machar is from the Nuer, the second-largest. They rose through the ranks of the SPLM and its armed wing in very different ways. Kiir, who is 62 or 63, was a guerrilla commander in the 1960s in Sudan’s first civil war. As part of a 1972 peace pact, he was absorbed into Sudan’s national army, reaching the rank of major. In 1983, Kiir joined a second rebellion and helped found the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA), which fought the Khartoum government for more than two decades. For much of his rebel life, Kiir worked in the shadow of John Garang, a charismatic leader and fellow Dinka who died in a 2005 helicopter crash shortly after becoming first vice president of Sudan and months after helping negotiate a peace deal to end the second civil war. Kiir became the SPLM’s leader and assumed the post of first vice president. Known for his blunt speech, Kiir proved to be a deft political operator. He ensured that Khartoum held up its end of the peace deal, which paved the way for South Sudan’s independence. While other SPLM leaders, including Garang, sought greater rights for southerners in a united Sudan, Kiir had always wanted independence. Those who know Kiir describe him as humble, honest and meticulous. Some say he is a reluctant leader, forced into his role. They disagree with Machar’s statements that he is autocratic. Luka Biong Deng Kuol, a South Sudan expert and a fellow at Harvard University’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, said:
He is a consensus-builder. I did not see in him a dictatorial tendency. He is not so keen on being in power.
Machar, 61, was a college student at the end of Sudan’s first civil war, one of a small number of South Sudanese allowed to attend the University of Khartoum. He studied engineering, and continued his education in Scotland and later in Britain, earning a doctorate in strategic planning in 1984. It was then that he joined the SPLM and SPLA, entering at a high rank because of his education. Machar’s marriage to British aid worker Emma McCune and their life in war-ravaged southern Sudan became the subject of a book titled “Emma’s War.” In 1993, at age 28, McCune was killed in a car crash. Reeves said:
Machar split from Garang and Kiir in 1991, creating a breakaway faction of the SPLM that drew support from some ethnic Nuer groups. Later that year, he was blamed for a massacre in Bor, where Nuer soldiers loyal to him killed hundreds of ethnic Dinka. Over the next several years, Machar collaborated with the Khartoum government, which viewed him as a useful tool to weaken Garang, Kiir and the SPLM. He signed a peace accord in 1997, alienating him from Kiir and the rest of the SPLM leadership. None of this is forgotten by anyone. In 2002, Machar switched sides again, formally mending fences with Garang and rejoining the SPLM. When Garang died, Kiir anointed Machar vice president, largely to appease ethnic Nuers. Machar’s open criticism of Kiir grew louder in the first half of 2013, resulting in his sacking last summer. Two weeks ago, Machar and others purged by Kiir released a statement accusing him of dictatorial tendencies and of leading the SPLM and the country toward the abyss. Machar has always been overly ambitious and willing to see lives lost as he takes great risks on his own behalf. In that sense, what we are seeing now is entirely in character. We don’t need to ask whether it was a coup. @Mcdoba, you should read the caption in red, i tried explaining it to you earlier ukakataa, For someone who once shared a bed with the enemy, Machar has no business shouting about democracy in S.Sudan
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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McReggae wrote:xyzee wrote:Pedes wrote:Kiir issued a decree, dismissing the entire cabinet, many of whom comprised of senior SPLM commanders.Plus, Machar had hinted at challenging him in SPLM leadership before the next elections. This is simply a power struggle that has been going on for months moving from the board room to the barracks and now, to the streets. And this is where Kiir went wrong, these were not political appointees serving at his behest, they put their lives in the line to fight Khartum domination hense earning their positions. Kiir is just a face of the struggle and cannot purpot to do away with the rest of the body without consequenses. You see many here support the typical African ruler who believes power and resources belong to their village, heck even top dinka personalities including the Garang's are complaining but they would rather quote an article depicting Kiir as the perfect leader and failing to tell us why Kiir himself was once suspended from SPLA. Simply put, the problem with SS requires more than just grand standing from both parties!!!! the current problem in south sudan is that macharia wants to be president or co-president asap, and he is prepared to do anything to achieve that. If he agreed upon the structures of the new country and even became vp, he should as well learn to live with the same when things do not go his way. si kila saa vita.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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vita vya panzi furaha ya kunguru!! macharia is an agent of the north because an unstable south sudan means a better north....one word! abeyei!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/9/2009 Posts: 1,262
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@oltome
Would you say kiir was democratically elected?
He assumed the presidency by virtue of being the leader of SPLA.
what was wrong in machar expressing divergent opinion? The 2 should go to the ballot and let the people decide.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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Pork in Ss for negRogiations. If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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Mastermind wrote:Pork in Ss for negRogiations. UMK in SS for what? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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