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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, and does sin exist at all? @tycho do you mind giving us your definition of sin, then I see if we are talking about the same thing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.
Khalil Gibran
And if you would know God be not therefore a solver of riddles. Rather look about you and you shall see Him playing with your children. And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the cloud, outstretching His arms in the lightning and descending in rain. You shall see Him smiling in flowers, then rising and waving His hands in trees.
Kahlil Gibran
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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When I meet people like @Hamburglar, I want to congratulate them! You see these are the people who have been thinking. They have been analyzing all these characteristics of God people are talking about. And eventually, they conclude there is no God like such! For example, the hereditery thing, the one I just talked about, this inheritted form Adam. They say for this thing, which you were not personally responsible was to be atoned for. And they say the Creator of all thigns had to sacrifice His only beggoteten son to nuitralize this mysterous curse. The British man (Major Yeats Brown) says no heathen tribe has ever conceived such a nonesensical idea. But these people are telling you that. I say look my brothers and sisters, don't allow people to pull wool over your eyes. Think man, think! You see it is the most nonesensical idea on earth. Adam and eve sinning, and you're going to go to hell for that. And the way out is that, the same God now, He knows there is no way, no way He can change these people. So He must come down to earth, go into a woman's womb and live there for 9 months, born like any other human child. With all the blood and the marks and the ambilical code, which made his mother impure for 40 days says the Bible. Circumcised on the 8th day. Living like any other human being, drinking milk from his mothers breast, wetting his napkins, eating food, having a call of nature, and beaten and chased around. Your Almighty God of this universe, He took that role and He died for you at the age of 33...Please brother what is this? Where did you get these stuff from? Give us an opportunity, it is about time the Muslims took it up. That this most nonsensical idea on earth are getting converts? Let me read you from chapter 112 of the Quran. Sura Iklas chapter 112:1-4 called The Purity of Faith. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1. Say: He is Allah,(a) the One and Only;(b) 2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;(c) 3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;(d) 4. And there is none like unto Him.(e)Explanations Quote:(a) The nature of Allah is here indicated to us in a few words, such as we can understand. The qualities of Allah are described in numerous places elsewhere, e.g., in Chapter 59:22-24, 62:1, and 2:255. Here we are specially taught to avoid the pitfalls into which men and nations have fallen at various times in trying to understand Allah. The first thing we have to note is that His nature is so sublime, so far beyond our limited conceptions, that the best way in which we can realise Him is to feel that He is a Personality, "He", and not a mere abstract conception of philosophy. He is near us; He cares for us; we owe our existence to Him. Secondly, He is the One and Only God, the Only One to Whom worship is due; all other things or beings that we can think of are His creatures and in no way comparable to Him. Thirdly, He is Eternal, without beginning or end, Absolute, not limited by time or place or circumstance, the Reality before which all other things or places are mere shadows or reflections. Fourthly, we must not think of Him as having a son or a father, for that would be to import animal qualities into our conception of Him. Fifthly, He is not like any other person or thing that we know or can imagine: His qualities and nature are unique. (b). This is to negate the idea of Polytheism, a system in which people believe in gods many and lords many. Such a system is opposed to our truest and profoundest conceptions of life. For Unity in Design, Unity in the fundamental facts of existence, proclaim the Unity of the Maker. (c). Samad is difficult to translate by one word. I have used two, "Eternal" and "Absolute". The latter implies: (1) that absolute existence can only be predicted of Him; all other existence is temporal or conditional; (2) that He is dependent on no person or things, but all persons or things are dependent on Him, thus negativing the idea of gods and goddesses who ate and drank, wrangled and plotted, depended on the gifts of worshippers, etc. (d). This is to negative the Christian idea of the godhead, "the Father", "the only begotten Son" etc. (e). This sums up the whole argument and warns us specially against Anthropomorphism, the tendency to conceive of Allah after our own pattern, an insidious tendency that creeps in at all times and among all peoples.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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urstill1 wrote:kysse wrote:nkt.! there goes religion for you- it's effects are worse than weed I guess you have had a dose of both. I'm not sure of the order. Am tempted to say yes but conscience won't let me. See,I don't live in a bubble or island, so I have had close encounters with youths on weed- you cannot understand how unless you lay aside your pride,ego,judgmental attitude and get down to their level by listening and offering workable solutions not baseless arguments,judgment and book theories. Religion doesn't do that.It's but a muscle flexing show that doesn't help humanity at all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:murchr wrote:Mukiri wrote:murchr wrote:Mukiri wrote:Nabwire wrote:Mukiri belief in God and religion are two different things. Religion is manmade, but God is eternal! An how do you practice your believe in God? What guides you? Thaaaaithaa thaa thaai that does not represent any religion but its a pure testament of the belief of God. You and Alphadoti are totally brain washed. Thaaaithaa thaa thaai... So now you want us to discus religion? What happened to your abuse? Had a good night? And aren't you kamba? From the filth that emanates from your posts towards me and @AlphaDoti I had you pegged as a Kamba witchdoctor. However, yes we are 'brainwashed'. @Alpha with his Islam, me with my Christianity and from your post, you too with whatever-that-is. We live and let live. You're indeed a mad man, every other time you are challenged your turn abusive, what is the discussion here about if its not religion? Do you think before you diarrhea nonsense in public or you think you sound cool, Idi*t? So now you have issues with Kambas? Why waste time and energy abusing a whole tribe? If anything Kaos are the most religions group of people i've come across and am sorry to say but whatever the witchdocs believe in is as believable as your those so called religions, with all due respect to all religions in the world. May be you should quit being ethnocentric you know nothing St****  There's an euphemism I came across, something that goes like '... taking poison and expecting the other person to die'  Kunywa cool aid. @Mukiri, what about falling sick, and Jesus takes the medicine and you expect to heal? Like getting yourself gonorrhea and Jesus takes a jab! Is this not the medicine you prescribe for what you call the original sin? You as a Christians you belief, that what Adam and Eve when they ate the forbiden fruit. Because of that sin entered into the world, and every human child from the time of Adam up to doomsday is a sinner. As such is destined to hell. They say every human being goes to hell because of the sin of Adam and Eve. They say what they did, they ate the forbidden fruit so God Almighty is going to put everybody into hell. Unless you believe (as @Mukiri would say) that CHrist paid for that sin. Otherwise each and everyone, whether you call yourself Hindu, Muslim, Jew whatever you are, everybody goes to hell for the sin of Adam and Eve. I say look that is not a just law. Because the Bible, @Mukiri's Bible says the soul that sineth it shall die. The one that sins that one will be punished that one will be destroyed. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father. If father Adam sinned, his children will not be made responsible for his sins. Neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son. The righteousness of the rightous shall be upon him. Any good thing that the good man does, he gets the reward. And the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Whatever evil thing the evil man does he will be punished. But if the wicked returns, will repent from the sins he has committed and do that which is lawful and right he shall surely live, he shall not die (Ezekiel 18:20-24). In other words, every person is personally responsible for his or her actions. There is no such thing as man inherits sin. This is summarized by Britisher Major Yeats Brown in his book " Life of a Bengal Lancer", referring to the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement: Quote:NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS CONCEIVED SO GROTESQUE AN IDEA, INVOLVING AS IT DOES THE ASSUMPTION, THAT MAN WAS BORN WITH A HEREDITARY STAIN UPON HIM: AND THAT THIS STAIN (FOR WHICH HE WAS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE) WAS TO BE ATONED FOR: AND THAT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO SACRIFICE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO NEUTRALISE THIS MYSTERIOUS CURSE. He says it has never occured to any backward, barbaric people nor heathen tribe have ever tought of such things, such nonesense. There is no such thing as the origina sin This should have been the first question, eons ago. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WISH TO ACHIEVE FROM YOUR ONSLAUGHT AGAINST THE BIBLE?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, and does sin exist at all? @tycho do you mind giving us your definition of sin, then I see if we are talking about the same thing? I have no definition at the moment, but since you've committed yourself to the statement that there's no original sin, I got intrigued, hence my question. So you are free to use whatever definition you may have.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote: I've just come from reading about how 'religion' is a European invention.
'Having an encounter with God', isn't this a religious expression?
The book you just read, Aren't you grateful that you are able to read because some missionary taught us how to read books? If you read nabwire's post you will understand what I mean-we make God look so bad yet He is not. By religion ,I mean different faiths which worship a superior being- christianity/islam/hindu/african etc etc. Each believes they are on the right path and trying to convert/convince them through theories is futile. A hardened heart imo is a pre-destined one. So the only solution is for man to encounter God on his own.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Guest (9), Mukiri
NYINYI! HAMUENDI CHURCH?? Or you are wazuaring from church?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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kysse wrote:Guest (9), Mukiri
NYINYI! HAMUENDI CHURCH?? Or you are wazuaring from church? My Wazua is always on, even when I'm taking a ch*t  But, have you asked yourself your question?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Mukiri wrote:kysse wrote:Guest (9), Mukiri
NYINYI! HAMUENDI CHURCH?? Or you are wazuaring from church? My Wazua is always on, even when I'm taking a ch*t  But, have you asked yourself your question? You replied!!! ,meaning you are chit chatting in church! blasphemy.log out and listen to preaching. I am watching movie,in bed not church. Guest (6),see now, you are hiding among the 6 guests.peeping into wazua from church.
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