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Land Speculation Remastered
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#61 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:46:49 AM
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@nabwire..good point. A country like Denmark has 10 times more GDP than Kenya. Denmark doesnt have any natural resources to explot and export. All this GDP is mostly attained through intelectual human production. This is coz its impossible for danes to speculate on land hence they are foreced to think outside the box to come up with goods for export.
This is what is needed for kenya. land commission should make it impossible for kenyans to invest in land so they will be forced to create industries etc to make more money hence higher GDP.

http://www.indexmundi.com/denmark/gdp_per_capita_(ppp).html

http://www.indexmundi.co...cts/kenya/gdp-per-capita
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#62 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:19:49 PM
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I agree, but before making it impossible to speculate on land, the government should make sure that financial systems are transparent and investors are protected by enforcing the rule of law. People put money in land because they do not trust the current system, if they were sure their money was safe, they would diversify out of real estate. I wonder what happened to the investors who had their money in that Brokerage firm that collapsed? Were they compensated? Why did the government allow the firm to exist in the first place? By the way how long were they in business before the collapse?
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#63 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:41:01 PM
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murchr wrote:
Kalameni wrote:
the big question is when this bubble is going to burst ? is it any time soon or will population pressure,massive rural to urban migration sustain it for the next 17yrs till 2030 when our beloved nation becomes a middle income country.






When the real estate bubble bursted in the US it was because people took up loans that they weren't able to pay. How will this bubble burst in Kenya? Are people taking up loans or are they paying cash?


@Murchr. It is very hard to get a bank loan on land title nowadays since its a hard sell. of late they would rather enlist household items. Easily disposable assets like log book/going concern business are the thing now.
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#64 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:42:27 PM
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@nabwire..true. @njunge here is still trying to make headway into the stockbroker mess

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=4394
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#65 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:59:06 PM
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Murchr the bubble will burst when supply outstrips demand, that is when people no longer feel the need to live and work in Nairobi. If your sell price was 250 m an acre, then you start getting best offers of 150, 100, 75, that will be the indication that the bubble is bursting. How long before it bursts is the question, but there is no way that a price of 250m/acre is sustainable, even Beverly Hills is not that expensive!!
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#66 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:36:30 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
Murchr the bubble will burst when supply outstrips demand, that is when people no longer feel the need to live and work in Nairobi. If your sell price was 250 m an acre, then you start getting best offers of 150, 100, 75, that will be the indication that the bubble is bursting. How long before it bursts is the question, but there is no way that a price of 250m/acre is sustainable, even Beverly Hills is not that expensive!!


There are so many other factors that will determine if the bubble will burst or not. What is constant is the land mass of Kenya, the other variables will keep changing. Inflation, population growth, and the constant demand for shelter and expansion of industry.

To me I compare Nairobi to Newyork where an apartment costs about $1 000 000 (+/-) A block sits on about 3/4 or 1 acre of land. Zoning will help stabilize prices (you know what i mean, create cities as you and I know it and have a population limit). The other thing Kenyans will first have to accept that they cant all own land as a right. Everyone should have a decent shelter but not land.
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Nabwire
#67 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:46:53 PM
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People can still own land, just not in Nairobi, I cant even imagine paying 250m for an acre and yet in Masaai land an acre goes for 500,000. Heri niende ushago, wacha Nairobi ikae. But for those who are lucky enough to own say 4 acres in Nairobi, I would sell 2 acres at these ridiculous prices and park that money in stocks, then hold the other two just incase the madness continues and prices keep inching up.
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#68 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:51:42 PM
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[quote=a4architect.com]@nabwire..true. @njunge here is still trying to make headway into the stockbroker mess

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=4394[/quote]


Oh my gosh, ati compensation of 50K? So the clients who had millions only got 50K? Sad Ama compensation is staggered depending on amount lost?
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#69 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:52:02 PM
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Nairobi is way over priced. But again, if it's worth it to the buyer, then it's not over priced. My only question...where do people get these kinds of ca$h. 250M an acre....I doubt that!
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#70 Posted : Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:03:51 PM
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are crazy prices a Nairobi Metropolitan problem only? I doubt. I bought land in a remote part of Nyandarua at 110k per acre in 2011. Today, the rate is 250k in that area.
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