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danas10 wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc or better still, talk to yourself through a mirror...works for me  Naked? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
 Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! What are some of these things that aren't spiritual? And if they aren't spiritual what are they? Corporeal, environmental, legal ....just to mention a few. You fall sick because a fellow with a cold sneezed in your face. What you do next is go see a doctor. If you havent paid tax and KRA catches you (even if you didn't know) you will be in trouble, you need a tax accountant first then the priest second. What happened to people using the hands and brains that were given to them...if God didn't intend us to meet challenges and try to resolve them, why kick Adam and Eve out of the happy garden? You can't eat, marry or spend spirituality. In fact one could argue spirituality follows naturally if these other small things balance out somehow. Curious indeed. Others believe the converse. Between God and Money and 'economic savvy' they choose God; and they know that in finding God they find everything else.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 763 Location: Intersection
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symbols wrote:danas10 wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc or better still, talk to yourself through a mirror...works for me Naked? even better
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:No shortcut to prosperity - only hardwork I wonder what hard work means. It has no meaning really. If there's anything like 'prosperity' then it works to create 'poverty'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc Why shouldn't a counselor con a person? Besides, what counsel can one give to the poor? 'Get an education'? 'Be frugal'? Where does counsel come from? I assume a counselor is more like a doctor...when am sick I go to the doctor..I pay consultation fees...sometimes talking works... You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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danas10 wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc or better still, talk to yourself through a mirror...works for me mmmmh that too...and if I think God is listening I tell Him to listen too... You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc Why shouldn't a counselor con a person? Besides, what counsel can one give to the poor? 'Get an education'? 'Be frugal'? Where does counsel come from? I assume a counselor is more like a doctor...when am sick I go to the doctor..I pay consultation fees...sometimes talking works... So how's this different from 'planting a seed'?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Tokyo wrote:No shortcut to prosperity - only hardwork I wonder what hard work means. It has no meaning really.If there's anything like 'prosperity' then it works to create 'poverty'. You are splitting hairs ...you have claimed before to be partial to poetry, which is usually rich with indirect speech and layered meaning, yet this, which in general context is almost universally understood, you claim incomprehension.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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symbols wrote:danas10 wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc or better still, talk to yourself through a mirror...works for me Naked? And see the devil? tycho?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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kysse wrote:symbols wrote:danas10 wrote:Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc or better still, talk to yourself through a mirror...works for me Naked? And see the devil? tycho? Monster
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