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FIXED DEPOSIT TERMS
Impunity
#61 Posted : Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:55:40 PM
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mukiha wrote:
Impunity wrote:
mukiha wrote:
In view of above and the fact that many UTs have 10k minimum investment, I still can't understand why people keep savings in fixed deposits!


What %age will CIC pay for a deposit of say 100K for one month?


Unit trusts returns are NOT based on the value of investment. Everybody gets the same percentage - whether you put in 10k or 10m!

Secondly, the rates are evaluated on a daily basis. If today's return is 9%pa, everybody gets 9% p.a. (of course that means you divide the 9% by 365!!); if tomorrow it is 8%, everybody gets 8%.

The rates are NOT negotiated with the investor before investment. You get what the fund earns on a day-to-day basis.

To answer your question: Check the Daily Nation, for example, on the page that has stocks and forex tables - top right hand corner.

CIC's yesterday's rate was 9.01% p.a.... but Britam was higher at 9.74% p.a. Actually, I am now considering moving the money to Britam....

Amana PAID 11.16% p.a. yesterday


And you said that the %age is net profit, the 15% tax is already deducted?
Please confirm.
Portfolio: Sold
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mukiha
#62 Posted : Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:22:11 PM
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Impunity wrote:
mukiha wrote:
Impunity wrote:
mukiha wrote:
In view of above and the fact that many UTs have 10k minimum investment, I still can't understand why people keep savings in fixed deposits!


What %age will CIC pay for a deposit of say 100K for one month?


Unit trusts returns are NOT based on the value of investment. Everybody gets the same percentage - whether you put in 10k or 10m!

Secondly, the rates are evaluated on a daily basis. If today's return is 9%pa, everybody gets 9% p.a. (of course that means you divide the 9% by 365!!); if tomorrow it is 8%, everybody gets 8%.

The rates are NOT negotiated with the investor before investment. You get what the fund earns on a day-to-day basis.

To answer your question: Check the Daily Nation, for example, on the page that has stocks and forex tables - top right hand corner.

CIC's yesterday's rate was 9.01% p.a.... but Britam was higher at 9.74% p.a. Actually, I am now considering moving the money to Britam....

Amana PAID 11.16% p.a. yesterday


And you said that the %age is net profit, the 15% tax is already deducted?
Please confirm.


Yes it is net; that's what they paid to my account.... give them a call for clarifications
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butterflyke
#63 Posted : Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:43:33 PM
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Impunity
#64 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 11:14:24 AM
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mukiha wrote:
Impunity wrote:
mukiha wrote:
Impunity wrote:
mukiha wrote:
In view of above and the fact that many UTs have 10k minimum investment, I still can't understand why people keep savings in fixed deposits!


What %age will CIC pay for a deposit of say 100K for one month?


Unit trusts returns are NOT based on the value of investment. Everybody gets the same percentage - whether you put in 10k or 10m!

Secondly, the rates are evaluated on a daily basis. If today's return is 9%pa, everybody gets 9% p.a. (of course that means you divide the 9% by 365!!); if tomorrow it is 8%, everybody gets 8%.

The rates are NOT negotiated with the investor before investment. You get what the fund earns on a day-to-day basis.

To answer your question: Check the Daily Nation, for example, on the page that has stocks and forex tables - top right hand corner.

CIC's yesterday's rate was 9.01% p.a.... but Britam was higher at 9.74% p.a. Actually, I am now considering moving the money to Britam....

Amana PAID 11.16% p.a. yesterday


And you said that the %age is net profit, the 15% tax is already deducted?
Please confirm.


Yes it is net; that's what they paid to my account.... give them a call for clarifications


Ok, they seem to yield more than a T Bill for the the same tenuere currently.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

DtheK
#65 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:17:51 PM
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Is it possible to transfer ownership of a unit trust account to another person?
mukiha
#66 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:23:34 PM
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DtheK wrote:
Is it possible to transfer ownership of a unit trust account to another person?


The funds or the account?

Can you transfer your bank account to some one else? NO

But you can transfer the funds!
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Chaka
#67 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 3:52:06 PM
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For Britam I came across an old document with the following conditions for a Money Market Fund investment:

Initial fees – 0
β€’ Annual management fee – 2% p.a.
β€’ Minimum investment amount – Ksh.100,000
β€’ Minimum top – up amount – Ksh.10,000
β€’ Initial Commission – 0.05% of investment amount + 0.025% monthly trailer

If this is still the case ,then CIC should be better because they only charge Ksh 1,000 joining fee and minimum investment is Kshs 10,000 i.e even if the rate for Britam is higher,this gets eaten into by the above charges...
DtheK
#68 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:44:37 PM
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@Mukiha but then again a unit trust serves different purpose from a bank account.
A bank account is mostly not for investing but allows you to access services such as recieving and making payments thru different means.
A unit trust however is an investment in the same class as shares,T-bills and bonds.
mukiha
#69 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:57:42 AM
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DtheK wrote:
@Mukiha but then again a unit trust serves different purpose from a bank account.
A bank account is mostly not for investing but allows you to access services such as recieving and making payments thru different means.
A unit trust however is an investment in the same class as shares,T-bills and bonds.


Can you transfer your CDSC account to another person? NO! But you can transfers the shares held therin.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mwekez@ji
#70 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 10:02:52 AM
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@mukiha, good work demystifying Money Market Unit Trusts in simple language Applause Applause Applause
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