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Future of IT in Kenya
wanyee
#61 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:03:43 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
madhaquer wrote:
I believe that the only thing you need to learn from the "darn education system" is how to read, write and some maths.
We are living in a time when anyone with this 3 essentials and the right attitude and motivation can get to learn whatever they want.

Learning to learn is the one thing everyone should get from school.

Wanyee - there is always wazua for those of us who have gone through the education system.What do you mean we need to innovate IT?

Tony Stark - For someone not in IT you've got it right.Mobile phone advertising and process re-engineering are a gold mines yet to be tapped and we so need solutions in those areas. Its also true,once you start flourishing as an IT specialist you get lucrative jobs offers too good to let them pass by to pursue your own personal interests.


I meant innovation in IT. but there are also innovations done with IT. like ..3D printing..quantum encryption...

with IT for example metal storm project etc etc
eboomerang
#62 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:40:04 PM
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madhaquer wrote:
I believe that the only thing you need to learn from the "darn education system" is how to read, write and some maths.
We are living in a time when anyone with this 3 essentials and the right attitude and motivation can get to learn whatever they want.

Societies that innovate have values that support innovation. And values don't come from the "darn education system". It's a cultural issue, we love to play the victim card.

Blame the government,
blame the economy,
blame the colonialists,
blame the "darn education system".....

Kenyans are not victims, they choose their own paths. Right now every university in the country sits on a fiber optic link to the internet. If any student doesn't like their 'darn' lecturer, they can fire up you tube and get an alternative.

But then we like the easy way out.
Why innovate when we can pirate ?

Education and culture cannot be separated, part of our culture is formed through the education system.

Our system is just targeted at passing exams (KCPE and KCSE) and students are encouraged to do this at whatever cost. We compete so much internally and forget the we should bench mark against the world and not based on which district was leading and which student was best in the country.

You cannot build a national vision or industry by referring people to the internet and YouTube. There needs to be proper investments in education facilities. You need more than the basic education to be globally competitive.

Even the so loved MPesa system was not built in Kenya, despite it's market success being in Kenya.
ChessMaster
#63 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:23:17 PM
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Can't wait to see the impact made by quantum computing since the two scientists finally found a way through the big hurdle. With the current crop of leaders how are we going to achieve a culture change since they benefit the most from Kenyans being educated but not learned?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tony stark
#64 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 11:59:41 AM
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@ Chessmaster I have had a few interactions with IT projects managing teams and unfortunately most Kenyan blogs, that are updated, are run by IT heads.

The question the whole sector should be asking is who will pay me for this crap I'm writing and why should he pay me? The current answer is write programs for IPO48. All this does is create professional competitors who have no clue to taking a product to market or scale.

Let me give an example I saw a few months/years back some students made a mobile phone app called Mfarm where farmers could share price information. The imaginary story went once they know the true price farmers can then move their product to the market that has a better price. They solved an imaginary problem in the most complex way possible.

Before I get bashed which of this thousand apps and programs that show our originality are actually in use despite several competition winners and apps created for the contest.
wanyee
#65 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 12:42:43 PM
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Its not wrong to want monetary gain for solutions but at this point in time for innovations sake the drive should more at a making an innovative stub to local problems without necessarily having monetary benefits but for exposure. Its with such a buildup that expertise is accrued and eventually monetary gains follow suit. It may not be like farming or politics where everyone pretends they can make a pitch in and make money.
sitaki.kujulikana
#66 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 1:16:50 PM
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tony stark wrote:
@ Chessmaster I have had a few interactions with IT projects managing teams and unfortunately most Kenyan blogs, that are updated, are run by IT heads.

The question the whole sector should be asking is who will pay me for this crap I'm writing and why should he pay me? The current answer is write programs for IPO48. All this does is create professional competitors who have no clue to taking a product to market or scale.

Let me give an example I saw a few months/years back some students made a mobile phone app called Mfarm where farmers could share price information. The imaginary story went once they know the true price farmers can then move their product to the market that has a better price. They solved an imaginary problem in the most complex way possible.

Before I get bashed which of this thousand apps and programs that show our originality are actually in use despite several competition winners and apps created for the contest.

I heard about that mfarm app sometime back, I think its a good concept (if they have a good database that is up to date) - but the target market is wrong, they should have gone for the middle men not the farmers. Its more of a marketing/sales app
tony stark
#67 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 2:18:17 PM
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wanyee wrote:
Its not wrong to want monetary gain for solutions but at this point in time for innovations sake the drive should more at a making an innovative stub to local problems without necessarily having monetary benefits but for exposure. Its with such a buildup that expertise is accrued and eventually monetary gains follow suit. It may not be like farming or politics where everyone pretends they can make a pitch in and make money.


I understand monetizing apps and projects is never straight forward but this should always be in the plan for any project.

It nice to innovate for innovations sake if your a purist trying to advance technology but this is an unsustainable way of doing things.

My 2 cents
ChessMaster
#68 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 3:49:46 PM
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Very true Mfarm didn't consider there target market especially with the youth avoiding farming. I believe there time will come especially if commodity trading goes mainstream in Kenya and Africa in general. I'm surprised I never knew that the blogs we done by IT heads. I'm for pushing for apps and other solutions since that's the only way the market will develop over time. I agree,the problem is monetizing. Just like in investing(at least value investing),concentrating on creating a good solution is how we should approach it not creating hubs and cities that in the end will have nothing to offer consumers and investors.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tony stark
#69 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 4:28:31 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:

I heard about that mfarm app sometime back, I think its a good concept (if they have a good database that is up to date) - but the target market is wrong, they should have gone for the middle men not the farmers. Its more of a marketing/sales app


Please do not get me wrong I am not saying it bad, but the approach is definitely bad. Without rethinking the strategy this approach can not work.

As a former broker it is not lack of information that makes farmers sell to us it is a lack of choice. When you are on a 1 acre farm and you only have a few cabbages it is very difficult to negotiate with a broker.
webish
#70 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:38:29 PM
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Interesting to see how this post has evolved. One consistent thing I see in all postings, is that "We Believe, we CAN and we SHOULD."

While many will rush to blame education system, I believe in it strongly. It's not perfect, but I am very sure that they are not what is holding us from Success. At all.

Don't we have 'successful' people who are doing nice things to society now, and never stepped out of the Country for Education?

Would be glad to be corrected, But we are on a Slow But "Most Sure" path to NICE things.

And to be futuristic; Here's examples of how I see it.
- That in x Years, Kenya will have 1000's KM of a Perfect Rail system, supported by a Robust IT system.
- That in x years, Kenya will have fully functional Traffic Lights in all Roads, again supported by a Robust IT system
- That in x years, Kenya will have a Fully automated Social Security System, tied to ones Property, Address, Family, Cars etc etc.
- That in x years, Kenyan Counties, will be fighting to have Fully Automated Govt services, for Utility payment systems et al, again supported by IT systems.

I could go on and on...... This is just a snippet of my Wish List and Dream for .KE . As you will notice, all are related to IT, I have not mentioned any non-IT projects which may be more important to Wellbeing of Citizens. Plus, at-least I don't just Dream of My Big Home and My Big car, in x years. :)

Maybe it's time we debate less, and put in more of this time, to Work. Let's review as we progress.

Life is joy, death is peace, but the transition is very difficult.
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