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mnjoro
#121 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:30:17 PM
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Out of curiosity would we be having any Wazuan affected?We need to give moral support incase there is one.
Mpenzi
#122 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:31:21 PM
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Where any of the persons is holding a title and it turns out that such title was legitimately issued he/she might have some luck in the courts - years from now unfortunately.
eco
#123 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:31:37 PM
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We are living in the digital age, where every parcel of land should be digitized with all it's entitlements, and database linked from Ardhi House to all City/Municipal/town Councils Lands and Planning Departments. The era of allocating and selling land to more than two people, selling disputed land should be long gone.

Could Wazuans please read the two draft Land Bills and make comments: May be your and my comment will amount to something in the final Bill. We have to fight this monster, for this country to be a better place to buy, build, and bring up families.

Public Notice
Ministry of Lands is implementing the Constitution of Kenya 2010 through, among others, preparation of draft legislations on land. The Ministry is committed to facilitating participation of the people of Kenya in this process.

In this regard, we wish to notify members of the public that the Ministry, in consultation with stakeholders, has prepared two draft bills to meet provisions of Article 68 of the Constitution of Kenya 2010. These are: -

Draft Land Bill – to revise, consolidate and rationalize land laws; to provide for the sustainable administration and management of land and land-based resources and for connected purposes.

The two draft Bills can be downloaded from the Ministry of Lands’ Website http://www.ardhi.go.ke/ >Downloads> DRAFT LAND BILLS >Lands Bill 24th October 2011 and Land Registration Bill 24th October 2011. All members of the public are invited to visit the website, read the draft Bills and forward comments to Kenya Law Reform Commission, Attorney General and Commission for Implementation of the Constitution.
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#124 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:36:45 PM
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@ jaggernaut... the problem we are facing is a local authority delinked from ministry of lands ofcouse due to hunger for power/impunity/corruption.
All local authorities should only approve buildings on lands without disputes. It should be their responsibility. The clause that says 'approved SUBJECT to the land not having any encumbrances' should be deleted as in the case with other countries.
There is no way you can separate ministry of lands with local authorities in the issue of land since teach land is slightly different on the ground and the ability to adjust these small differences lies with the local authority .
Ministry of lands want to have power to allocate land but they don't have necessary structures to manage this. Mavoko council have the necessary structures but cant fight such a huge monster so they just lie low and watch as things unfold.
KAA comes in the middle of the fights/confusion and reclaims its land back.
Verdict-professional bodies-LSK,AAK,ISK etc should come in and fill in the void of leadership to avoid these catastrophes. Numerical Machining Complex, EAPCement land e.t.c are next if someone does not intervene now.
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lynx
#125 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:47:40 PM
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I think there is more to the story here..where does the property block in question lie ?
1.Does the land lie in Machakos County (Mavoko) or in Nairobi county ? is it an attempt to change a county boundary?

2.If the boundary is in question where do the constitutional boundaries lie.?

3.Every public document and map I can find online(including google) indicates the Unjum rectangle (Ungani,Jumbo ,Mloloongo) is in Machakos county.

4.My concern is the disregard/ impunity of the executive towards the Judiciary. Pending Case court..or are they in cahoots.

5.All Titles and searches are issued in Nairobi, if we can not trust the title for the land we sleep in soon our faith in the Shilling we trade in falters as its implied it can change overnight

6.KAA may have issued notices, but how many people know their block numbers on the title? A law should be introduced that any advert for evacuation must include a map.


I think we need a jicho pevu on this.."the matter is that today it was syokimau , in 8 yrs time the next government will say the title for your land in CBD was issued illegally ,then bring down the hse and no compensation.

I shudder at the thought..

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'user'
#126 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:22:55 PM
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mnjoro wrote:
Out of curiosity would we be having any Wazuan affected?We need to give moral support incase there is one.


Yes there are.Some people think they are too smart here wait till they come for yours and say your title is just a piece of paper after changing the boundary.
2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
Barrywhite
#127 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:32:15 PM
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My heart goes out to the Wazuans directly affected; and to all in general. I was there and just couldnt stay on to watch that shameful heartless exercise. I cannot begin to imagine how it might feel like.
The laudable is more often than not rendered laughable by overclaim
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#128 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:56:43 PM
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#129 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:14:28 PM
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There was to be a court ruling today. Anyone heard how it has gone? Why didnt KAA and cabinet wait for this ruling? Are Kenyans now supposed to have confidence in this investigation?
The laudable is more often than not rendered laughable by overclaim
stevecomptech
#130 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:28:52 PM
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To all Wazuans please follow this simple procedure when buying land.
http://kenyanlawyer.blog...ying-land-in-kenya.html
anika66
#131 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:09:43 PM
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[quote=eco]We are living in the digital age, where every parcel of land should be digitized with all it's entitlements, and database linked from Ardhi House to all City/Municipal/town Councils Lands and Planning Departments. The era of allocating and selling land to more than two people, selling disputed land should be long gone.

All what has happened is a result of corruption and fraud. If we can fight fraud in Kenya we will safe others from similar calamity. My sympathy to the affected families, it will take years to recover the loss. Now as an investor in NSE, I wonder how this 'national' calamity is going to affect my trades, are we going to see more 'syokimau' victims dispose of their stocks at NSE in order to raise money for rent now that their status have been degraded back to being tenants? Sorry for the blantness of my post but its a man eat man society
Keeping it all in the family
For Sport
#132 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:22:43 PM
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stevecomptech wrote:
To all Wazuans please follow this simple procedure when buying land.
http://kenyanlawyer.blog...ying-land-in-kenya.html


With all due respect, this would not have helped the buyers in Syokimau. Most of them must have followed this process and still wound up with flattened houses.
How do you beat two versions of the map for your area? You would be no wiser after conducting the search.
I'm also sure some people took loan from banks to develop these properties -Arent bank lawyers also required to do some form of due diligence before effecting the charges on these properties?
astute
#133 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:32:51 PM
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For Sport wrote:
stevecomptech wrote:
To all Wazuans please follow this simple procedure when buying land.
http://kenyanlawyer.blog...ying-land-in-kenya.html


With all due respect, this would not have helped the buyers in Syokimau. Most of them must have followed this process and still wound up with flattened houses.
How do you beat two versions of the map for your area? You would be no wiser after conducting the search.
I'm also sure some people took loan from banks to develop these properties -Arent bank lawyers also required to do some form of due diligence before effecting the charges on these properties?



Surely, the whole system is murky. Two maps from the same government. The lawyers are also found in this dirty atmosphere; and they aren't that clean...can be compromised!!!!Who do you believe or rely on....We need DIVINE intervention!!!
josiah33
#134 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:33:04 PM
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HEARD SOME ARGUMENT THAT THE CABINET DECISION TO DEMOLISH HOUSES IN SYOKIMAU WAS INFORMED BY THE SECURITY THREAT THAT LIVING SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT POSES. ALSHABAAB MEN COULD BE HIDING IN THOSE HOUSES READY TO BRING DOWN PLANES. COULD THESE BE TRUE?
eco
#135 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:43:04 PM
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Mutito MP Kiema Kilonzo accused the government of applying the law selectively, citing buildings he said were built irregularly along Mombasa road by billionaires but secured protection from the State.

“Are there two sets of the law? One for the poor and one for the rich?” the MP posed.

Just the other day multinationals build buildings illegally along Mombasa road…the government led by the Prime Minister met the billionaires and agreed they are going to spare the multinationals,” he said.

“...yet here we have poor people with legal documents approved by City commission, their property is being destroyed and the government has not even had a courtesy meeting with them just as it had with the billionaires in the PM’s office over tea and champagne , shame on you…”he said.

.... http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/8cqhs4/-/index.html ...
eco
#136 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:48:19 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
HEARD SOME ARGUMENT THAT THE CABINET DECISION TO DEMOLISH HOUSES IN SYOKIMAU WAS INFORMED BY THE SECURITY THREAT THAT LIVING SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT POSES. ALSHABAAB MEN COULD BE HIDING IN THOSE HOUSES READY TO BRING DOWN PLANES. COULD THESE BE TRUE?


True we have a problem with Al Shabaab, but will it be an excuse of impunity and terrorising of innocent Kenyans? Who are the Kenya Armed Forces in Somalia fighting for if not for law abiding, peace loving citizens, working hard, saving and investing thier money in Kenya? This is impunity in the name of national security. Again!!
sirpoloo
#137 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:00:58 PM
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stevecomptech wrote:
To all Wazuans please follow this simple procedure when buying land.
http://kenyanlawyer.blog...ying-land-in-kenya.html



@stevecomptech thanx for the link...very informativeApplause...if you follow these "simple" steps..gues they will save alot of heartache in future...
For Sport
#138 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:13:27 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
HEARD SOME ARGUMENT THAT THE CABINET DECISION TO DEMOLISH HOUSES IN SYOKIMAU WAS INFORMED BY THE SECURITY THREAT THAT LIVING SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT POSES. ALSHABAAB MEN COULD BE HIDING IN THOSE HOUSES READY TO BRING DOWN PLANES. COULD THESE BE TRUE?


Demolitions to Spread Over Kenya
"The next round of demolitions is expected to take place around Moi Airbase in Eastleigh, around Wilson Airport along Langata road, and then around Mombasa International airport and airstrips countrywide. The KAA will also demolish illegal structures that have been erected on its land around JKIA."
The Star
butterflyke
#139 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:22:51 PM
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very very sad....this is what mama esther murugi should remove her clothes for, sio hiyo mambo ya hague!

Shame on you on all the forces behind this
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#140 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:43:47 PM
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stevecomptech wrote:
To all Wazuans please follow this simple procedure when buying land.
http://kenyanlawyer.blog...ying-land-in-kenya.html

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