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Questioning the validity of Church!?
otienosmall
#61 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:33:28 AM
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Insurgent
#62 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:56:15 AM
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Rollout wrote:
Is there a possibility that the bible was a genious writings of people like william shakespeare and the church is just but a big Ponzi scheme?

Maybe the devil is using me but think about it. Anyway, I love the teachings of the bible but it is hard to believe on some things. Just saying!


You need to read a book written by Napoleon Hill called - Think and Grow Rich. Then come back here we debate your doubts.

Excerpts

http://soilandhealth.org...Think.and.Grow.Rich.pdf


"One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.

Mtu Biz
#63 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:35:59 AM
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[quote=otienosmall]
Sound very possible that we know very little about ‘God’
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/w...ljs&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/w...tDY&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/w...jks&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/w...azU&feature=related[/quote]

Otienosmall.

Please be advised that this show will very much tickle your senses and curiosity but you will be required to buy book so and so or dvd series this and that to 'understand more' or 'tap into' this or that anointing etc. You will see the same maneno on their website.

This show is heavy on peoples experiences and very shallow on the exposition of Gods truth as revealed in the scriptures.

Once you get hooked to listening to this stuff, you will want more or the same and you will be further deluded.

I know this from personal experience.

ALL of the people interviewed in this show have some sort of special extra biblical powers or experiences which they expound on in their books or dvd's or conferences...

Be warned.


Sola Scriptura


otienosmall
#64 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:22:06 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
[quote=otienosmall]
Sound very possible that we know very little about ‘God’
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/w...ljs&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/w...tDY&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/w...jks&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/w...azU&feature=related[/quote]

Otienosmall.

Please be advised that this show will very much tickle your senses and curiosity but you will be required to buy book so and so or dvd series this and that to 'understand more' or 'tap into' this or that anointing etc. You will see the same maneno on their website.

This show is heavy on peoples experiences and very shallow on the exposition of Gods truth as revealed in the scriptures.

Once you get hooked to listening to this stuff, you will want more or the same and you will be further deluded.

I know this from personal experience.

ALL of the people interviewed in this show have some sort of special extra biblical powers or experiences which they expound on in their books or dvd's or conferences...

Be warned.




Mtu Biz
Your caution is good and well-meaning but all the same it’s advisable to look at matters from all angles and not limiting oneself to a faith that came by default as had been mentioned before.
Injere
#65 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:38:15 AM
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@otienosmall. The discussion of Gen 6 is an old one and with all due respect, Dr. Chuck has missed the essence of the Bible teaching here. It is generally agreed among leading Bible scholars today that the Sons of God can most tenably be interpreted as the Sons of Seth but there are those who are prepared to hold the opposing view that these are fallen angels no matter how unsustainable that view is. Jesus for instance numerously said that Angels do no marry - He just didn't says "unfallen Angels". It's telling that Chuck has not interacted with this issue in any substantive manner. Anyways, the main issue on Gen 6 is v.5 - God was greatly unhappy with the wickedness of mankind and being a just God, He had to let the consequences lay where they may. It should be borne in mind that these were not the days of Grace as it were.

Chuck (not a mainstream theology scholar) erroneously assumes that God was motivated by the desire to wipe out Nephilims and stretches the "afterwards" in v.4 to sustain his UFO theory. Clearly, everything that was not in the Ark was lost - Nephilims or otherwise. That's the plain truth on the issue. I dont know where Chuck gets these power games that God is supposed to be playing with Satan - this is clearly coloured by his career in US Intelligence Dept. The Bible is categorical here - Satan had already been put in his place long before Adam was created.

Mtu Biz
#66 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:00:23 PM
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otienosmall wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
[quote=otienosmall]
Sound very possible that we know very little about ‘God’
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/w...ljs&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/w...tDY&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/w...jks&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/w...azU&feature=related[/quote]

Otienosmall.

Please be advised that this show will very much tickle your senses and curiosity but you will be required to buy book so and so or dvd series this and that to 'understand more' or 'tap into' this or that anointing etc. You will see the same maneno on their website.

This show is heavy on peoples experiences and very shallow on the exposition of Gods truth as revealed in the scriptures.

Once you get hooked to listening to this stuff, you will want more or the same and you will be further deluded.

I know this from personal experience.

ALL of the people interviewed in this show have some sort of special extra biblical powers or experiences which they expound on in their books or dvd's or conferences...

Be warned.




Mtu Biz
Your caution is good and well-meaning but all the same it’s advisable to look at matters from all angles and not limiting oneself to a faith that came by default as had been mentioned before.


Appreciated.

Lets look at what is being alluded to in the videos.

The weight of the discussion seems to be an attempt to prove the existence of extra terrestrials using Daniel 2: 43-45

Which says (NKJV)
As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Now lets look at the context of that scripture.

In Daniel 2 from verse 27 The King Nebuchadnezzar seeks to be told what he had dreamt and its meaning... none of the astrologers and sorcerers could do it... so Daniel Describes the dream to the King and gives an interpretation of the same all the way down to verse 40 which begins to describe the final kingdom which will rule over the earth.

Verse 40:
And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.

Verse 41:
Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.

Verse 42:
And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.

Verse 43:
As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

This describes the final kingdom to rule the earth. The ten toes are 10 kings that will rule over that kingdom (Daniel 7:24)

That final earthly Kingdom will have 2 characteristics... the kingdom or government itself will be very strong (iron) probably military rule but within this kingdom there will be weakness (clay) the people or the common man who is opposed to this government or sympathetic to the ruled masses.

You can already catch a glimpse of this in the current US Govt(this is not that kingdom)... strong in terms of military might and ability to
crush its enemies yet weak in terms of the demands from its people for human rights accountability, and the like. Strong but weak.

Clay also represents human nature in various places in scripture.

These two characteristics of the final kingdom cannot mix but will co exist.

When you look at the context, it is very hard to see where extra terrestrials come into the picture.
Sola Scriptura


YesuWangu
#67 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:04:28 PM
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Do not tamper with.

Mtu biz, Injere and others of like mind, do not tamper with.

Twice we have been instructed to cease and desist from tampering with.

Romans 16: 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2 John 1: 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

The issue in question is doctrine.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

That is the doctrine and we have been told what to do about it.

Please, Mtu biz, Injere, do not tamper with. Please, obey the instructions, there must be a good reason for them.
Mtu Biz
#68 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:16:49 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
Do not tamper with.

Mtu biz, Injere and others of like mind, do not tamper with.

Twice we have been instructed to cease and desist from tampering with.

Romans 16: 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2 John 1: 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

The issue in question is doctrine.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

That is the doctrine and we have been told what to do about it.

Please, Mtu biz, Injere, do not tamper with. Please, obey the instructions, there must be a good reason for them.


@ Yesuwangu

Kindly enlighten me, how have i tampered with doctrine?
Sola Scriptura


Injere
#69 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 1:23:40 PM
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@Yesuwangu....waiting too.
YesuWangu
#70 Posted : Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:11:43 PM
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No.

Mtu biz and Injere, Pastor M had already mentioned this. Leave them alone, dont go discussing and dissecting doctrine with them if they dont appreciate it. It will be a waste, casting pearls before, you know, swine.

They have already resisted Him despite all the evidence he has put before them and in their hearts, will we now prevail?

You cannot argue with the adversary and win. Dont tamper with them. Lets follow the instructions.
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