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Briatm, Britam, Britam sounds like sweet candy!
Spikes
#671 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:16:59 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
researchfirst
#672 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 1:29:01 PM
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Joined: 2/24/2015
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Location: Nairobi
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.
Spikes
#673 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:34:56 PM
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researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.

John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#674 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:37:23 PM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.

John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Spikes
#675 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:46:43 PM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



The demand you saw today was from the same speculators whom sold at 16 plus. Due to excitement of huge capital gains they have opportunely ganged up to take positions again. But here there is caution: that demand will dry up faster than they witness a rally again. Downward journey continues. Listen to wahenga wakuu!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
mlennyma
#676 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 4:13:09 PM
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Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



The demand you saw today was from the same speculators whom sold at 16 plus. Due to excitement of huge capital gains they have opportunely ganged up to take positions again. But here there is caution: that demand will dry up faster than they witness a rally again. Downward journey continues. Listen to wahenga wakuu!

the downslide seems exhausted
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
murchr
#677 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 4:27:23 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



Care to explain that?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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whiteowl
#678 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 5:05:54 PM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this.



I do care and so do the current and prospective investors of this stock.The Rawat saga is the reason I dumped this stock most of it at 30 and the last batch at 22.Britam is a publicly traded company and unless the definition of "publicly traded" has changed there shouldn't be deals that are or appear to be shady especially for such a substantial stake. The shareholders by now should be in the know. @researchfirst if you're a current shareholder,you should ask yourself what else they're hiding.I cut ties the moment I stopped trusting the management.
researchfirst
#679 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 5:11:23 PM
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Posts: 154
Location: Nairobi
murchr wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this. Mauritian government was a seller under pressure for reasons that had nothing to do with the company, its operations, its prospects, or its leadership but rather with political pressures to compensate people in Mauritius from Rawat's assets. The price they got has no bearing on the company's value. I would love to have been in a position to negotiate with a seller like them.



Care to explain that?


The whole market tanked in 2015, but Britam's particularly massive plunge was caused by the market's reaction to an external event that had no effect on the company's business or future prospects (i.e. a major shareholder's activities outside the company). In my opinion, the market's reaction to something immaterial created a mispricing.

The rules and principles of accounting further exacerbated this mispricing. Conservatism is an accounting convention which requires an immediate recognition of losses (e.g., impairment charges) but delayed recognition of profits; losses are often recognised when anticipated, while profits are recognised when earned.

In Britam's case, the fair value investment losses reported are misleading. They were not paper losses attributable to bad management of an investment portfolio, they were primarily attributable to two strategic investments (i.e. Equity and HF). There are a lot of reasons why these two relationships, regardless of short term price movements, are good for the future earning potential of the company. Even setting that aside, the management has said they recognise their over exposure to listed equities and have said they are diversifying their portfolio. Good.

So that's the first bit. The second bit is that Britam's IT investment over the past few years (if the annual reports and investor briefings are to be believed) have been massive and directed specifically at making their core business more efficient and, therefore, profitable. It appears to be working. The company's core business looked good in the latest numbers. You couple that with their expansion across the region and into Southern Africa (e.g. Malawi) and things really start looking good. Just look at the numbers.

Finally, Britam is too small to attract any real overseas institutional investor interest so price is more subject to the moods, whims, and speculation of little guys who get overexcited and then panic without doing any analysis. In the end, I think Britam is a very good investment. But if you are looking to jump in and jump out, timing the market perfectly, good luck to you! It's not for me. I am holding this stock until it become overvalued which, given current numbers, is a very long way off.
researchfirst
#680 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 5:19:28 PM
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Joined: 2/24/2015
Posts: 154
Location: Nairobi
whiteowl wrote:
researchfirst wrote:
Spikes wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Going back to 10 bob smile



It was just speculation! Nothing good in this stock. Still directors and managers are quiet on controversial Dawood Rawat's stake. We are not on the know how much it was sold and at what price.


Disagree on all counts. Still a fundamentally undervalued stock. Buyers are coming back in today after a one day pullback that saw some profit taking after an enormous and quick rally. Bid/Ask is currently at 35/65 and has been rising. The stock will hit 18 minimum this year. Mark my words.

As for Rawat's stake, who cares? I have no idea why @spikes is obsessed with this.



I do care and so do the current and prospective investors of this stock.The Rawat saga is the reason I dumped this stock most of it at 30 and the last batch at 22.Britam is a publicly traded company and unless the definition of "publicly traded" has changed there shouldn't be deals that are or appear to be shady especially for such a substantial stake. The shareholders by now should be in the know. @researchfirst if you're a current shareholder,you should ask yourself what else they're hiding.I cut ties the moment I stopped trusting the management.


@whiteowl. I understand your concern, I just do not share it completely. I agree that not communicating better on this was/is a bad idea. I do not like uncertainty and unknowns and this thing created both. That said, if I did not invest in any company that treated minority shareholders as an afterthought, I would not be invested in very many companies. In the end, it was my valuation of the discounted future cash flows of the company that made me an investor at the price at which I invested.
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