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VituVingiSana
#6691 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 4:04:26 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.

Thanks for schooling these young guns @vvs
Lakini @Obiero - one of my best decisions was taking the loss on KQ. That money was deployed to KK and KenRe. The moment I realized the management of KQ were crooks and board was nothing but incompetent... I tried to warn folks.

That's why when someone "accuses" a management/board of incompetence/thievery, I take notice. Where there is smoke, there is a chance of a fire. Of course, it may just be hot air but it is MY money at risk.

IMHO, 70% of firms on the NSE are "non-investable" ... [KQ, Olympia, Mumias, Kurwitu, Marshalls, etc]

Of the remainder, some are over-priced [but good firms eg EABL & BAT] while others are for those who can sit and wait eg Unga and KenRe. Some eg FTGH are still too new. Some eg ARM need time before we can assess where they are headed.
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obiero
#6692 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 6:01:16 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.

Thanks for schooling these young guns @vvs
Lakini @Obiero - one of my best decisions was taking the loss on KQ. That money was deployed to KK and KenRe. The moment I realized the management of KQ were crooks and board was nothing but incompetent... I tried to warn folks.

That's why when someone "accuses" a management/board of incompetence/thievery, I take notice. Where there is smoke, there is a chance of a fire. Of course, it may just be hot air but it is MY money at risk.

IMHO, 70% of firms on the NSE are "non-investable" ... [KQ, Olympia, Mumias, Kurwitu, Marshalls, etc]

Of the remainder, some are over-priced [but good firms eg EABL & BAT] while others are for those who can sit and wait eg Unga and KenRe. Some eg FTGH are still too new. Some eg ARM need time before we can assess where they are headed.

True, but it's more like 80% of the firms being bandia.. Personally I have been trading for over 11 years at the NSE and I have only handled 8 stocks

KQ ABP 4.26
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sparkly
#6693 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 1:55:33 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
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Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program.


If flying is profitable, supersonic flying should be super profitable and the airlines operating supersonic flights hyper profitable... Get the drift.

Air France and BA both retired their Concorde fleets. Think about that... the only airlines running supersonic passenger flights dropped, rather than added more.
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heri
#6694 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:28:46 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
The guys behind these crooked schemes are sitting pretty... Some of them were doling out free flights to their "cheerleaders"

http://thebigissue.co.ke...baggage-fraud-auditors/

http://thebigissue.co.ke...uy-old-klm-sh2-billion/


when i read the articles i asked myself why KQ should not make money if and a big IF the fraud is stopped

KQ seems to have lost so much to fraud

my other question is , how does KLM benefit from the fraud? i cannot understand how there could be so much revenue leakage and the major partner is not 'bothered'

atleast for GOK i can understand why

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Othelo
#6695 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:31:12 PM
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Joined: 1/20/2014
Posts: 3,528
heri wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
The guys behind these crooked schemes are sitting pretty... Some of them were doling out free flights to their "cheerleaders"

http://thebigissue.co.ke...baggage-fraud-auditors/

http://thebigissue.co.ke...uy-old-klm-sh2-billion/


when i read the articles i asked myself why KQ should not make money if and a big IF the fraud is stopped

KQ seems to have lost so much to fraud

my other question is , how does KLM benefit from the fraud? i cannot understand how there could be so much revenue leakage and the major partner is not 'bothered'

atleast for GOK i can understand why



Why, how does GoK benefit from frauds at KQ?
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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ArrestedDev
#6696 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:33:22 PM
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Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.


Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand.
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ArrestedDev
#6697 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:35:09 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.


Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand.
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ArrestedDev
#6698 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:00:47 PM
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Joined: 5/29/2016
Posts: 898
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.


Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand.
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kayhara
#6699 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:52:23 PM
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Joined: 5/5/2011
Posts: 1,059
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.


Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand.

a colleague was asking me< KQ planes are almost full almost all of the time on all the routes they operate on the fares are not exactly cheap, though service on board is top quality, then WHY is the airline in trouble? and what was the foolishness of selling the Heathrow spot.
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sparkly
#6700 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:44:40 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana][quote=Cde Monomotapa]au revoir..


flydubai East Africa Service Changes from late-Jan 2016 http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/25/fz-jan16/

How often does RwandAir fly from Kigali to Dubai? Could they have been the reason for FlyDubai cutting back?

Hello..


Kenya Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare from mid-Dec 2015 http://airlineroute.net/...5/kqaf-codeshare-dec15/[/quote]


http://www.theeastafrica...6/-/4svnc9/-/index.html

Fastjet to fly NBO-DSM ($175 Return) and NBO-JRO with future service NBO-ZNZ and MBA-DSM ... KQ charges $350 Return. Who would you fly?

@vvs dear Fastjet has folded it's Kenyan tour http://www.businessdaily...1836-5lyatgz/index.html[/quote]
Now that Fast Jet has folded, will KQ be profitable?
*Please fill up at KK. As a private firm that makes profits, we need your help. KQ & friends to pay cash*

KQ has never had real competition in Kenya.. Even the losses have always been manufactured


No competition yet airlines do do badly.

Ideally the Concorde should have raked in Billions in profits yet it folded shamefully after swallowing Billions in French and British taxpayers' money.
The Concorde was an aircraft [like 787] so not comparable. I think the only operators were BA and Air France as their governments funded the program. The Tupolev also died and not sure if anyone but Aeroflot operated them.


Concorde was killed by the US. Please read the literature and understand.


Post link to the literature.
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