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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:Lolest! wrote:Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife
He must have started with a handshake Wueeeeh!!!  Stones thrown.....waiting.... No @lonest. It didn't start after Muhammad p.b.u.h... I'm sure you'll recognize the below verse: " Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) This women thing .... really gets your goat doesn't it? You really plumb the depths, from the Bible to the Quran to bring us these gems..singular focus ... @quicksand, the above was meant for @lonest. I was just trying to remove some ignorance from some people. Let me give him some more infor from Judaism: Background
There are a variety of reasons in Judaism that are used to justify gender separation to varying degrees.
In Pirkei Avot 1:5, Yosi ben Yochanan says that a man who spends too much time talking to women, even his wife, neglects the study of Torah and will inherit gehinnom.
Chapter 152 of Kitzur Shulchan Aruch details a series of laws forbidding interaction between persons of the opposite sex who are not married or closely related. Some of the prohibitions include physical contact, isolation with members of the opposite sex, staring at women or any of there body parts or attire, or conversation for pleasure.You can also look at the status of women in earlier civilizations I'm sending you school fees, Imam
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive? @tycho, just know that believe in God (in Arabic Allah) is true. This tendency of a doubt is given in the Quran many instances. And the treatment of that is you need to look at the creation of Allah, and ponder over this creation, and you see the perfection and all of these will become a reason for you to accept the fact that there must be someone behind. This is the idea of INTELLIGENT designer. You will be able to see that there is someone behind all of these. So look at the existence around yo, and think about this existence, ponder about how they couldn't have come into existence if there was no one behind them... it can't be a chance! You see, the natural tendency to obey laws of nature is printed on the human even from mother's womb. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural obedience to laws of nature (nature has been designed by a designer, we call God, Allah). This natural belief is called in Islam the "fitrah". I gave a response on this here...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive? @tycho, just know that believe in God (in Arabic Allah) is true. This tendency of a doubt is given in the Quran many instances. And the treatment of that is you need to look at the creation of Allah, and ponder over this creation, and you see the perfection and all of these will become a reason for you to accept the fact that there must be someone behind. This is the idea of INTELLIGENT designer. You will be able to see that there is someone behind all of these. So look at the existence around yo, and think about this existence, ponder about how they couldn't have come into existence if there was no one behind them... it can't be a chance! You see, the natural tendency to obey laws of nature is printed on the human even from mother's womb. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural obedience to laws of nature (nature has been designed by a designer, we call God, Allah). This natural belief is called in Islam the "fitrah". I gave a response on this here... Therefore, you don't know whether Allah is alive or not.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive? @tycho, just know that believe in God (in Arabic Allah) is true. This tendency of a doubt is given in the Quran many instances. And the treatment of that is you need to look at the creation of Allah, and ponder over this creation, and you see the perfection and all of these will become a reason for you to accept the fact that there must be someone behind. This is the idea of INTELLIGENT designer. You will be able to see that there is someone behind all of these. So look at the existence around yo, and think about this existence, ponder about how they couldn't have come into existence if there was no one behind them... it can't be a chance! You see, the natural tendency to obey laws of nature is printed on the human even from mother's womb. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural obedience to laws of nature (nature has been designed by a designer, we call God, Allah). This natural belief is called in Islam the "fitrah". I gave a response on this here... Therefore, you don't know whether Allah is alive or not. Intelligent Design it really is! @Tycho I am surprised he slipped this fallacy past you… See he is telling you that those things that work well in nature are here courtesy of ID. Now this is how wonderful is ID is: If you assume the world is older than the 6000 years creationists want you to believe, then even if you go with 20,000 year, we know the most species that ever existed on our planet earth are extinct now; for thousands of years, humans suffered/died from simple illnesses; life expectancy was barely 30 years; barbaric wars were the norm; and yet through all these years, the ID creator watched with indifference. Then about 2000 years ago in bronze age Palestine or 1400 years ago in the same region the ID creator decided it was time to intervene by offering as a sacrifice a Galilean carpenter or sharing his revelation with illiterate merchant. Such intelligent design it was…Now with benefit of hindsight, ID proponents can lay claim to discoveries made in medicine, cosmology and evolution - what a way to shift goal posts! First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive? @tycho, just know that believe in God (in Arabic Allah) is true. This tendency of a doubt is given in the Quran many instances. And the treatment of that is you need to look at the creation of Allah, and ponder over this creation, and you see the perfection and all of these will become a reason for you to accept the fact that there must be someone behind. This is the idea of INTELLIGENT designer. You will be able to see that there is someone behind all of these. So look at the existence around yo, and think about this existence, ponder about how they couldn't have come into existence if there was no one behind them... it can't be a chance! You see, the natural tendency to obey laws of nature is printed on the human even from mother's womb. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural obedience to laws of nature (nature has been designed by a designer, we call God, Allah). This natural belief is called in Islam the "fitrah". I gave a response on this here... Therefore, you don't know whether Allah is alive or not. Intelligent Design it really is! @Tycho I am surprised he slipped this fallacy past you… See he is telling you that those things that work well in nature are here courtesy of ID. Now this is how wonderful is ID is: If you assume the world is older than the 6000 years creationists want you to believe, then even if you go with 20,000 year, we know the most species that ever existed on our planet earth are extinct now; for thousands of years, humans suffered/died from simple illnesses; life expectancy was barely 30 years; barbaric wars were the norm; and yet through all these years, the ID creator watched with indifference. Then about 2000 years ago in bronze age Palestine or 1400 years ago in the same region the ID creator decided it was time to intervene by offering as a sacrifice a Galilean carpenter or sharing his revelation with illiterate merchant. Such intelligent design it was…Now with benefit of hindsight, ID proponents can lay claim to discoveries made in medicine, cosmology and evolution - what a way to shift goal posts! I'm not sure the intelligent design argument passed me. The importance of what he's admitted is perhaps the weightier... a kind of alienation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive? @tycho, just know that believe in God (in Arabic Allah) is true. This tendency of a doubt is given in the Quran many instances. And the treatment of that is you need to look at the creation of Allah, and ponder over this creation, and you see the perfection and all of these will become a reason for you to accept the fact that there must be someone behind. This is the idea of INTELLIGENT designer. You will be able to see that there is someone behind all of these. So look at the existence around yo, and think about this existence, ponder about how they couldn't have come into existence if there was no one behind them... it can't be a chance! You see, the natural tendency to obey laws of nature is printed on the human even from mother's womb. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural obedience to laws of nature (nature has been designed by a designer, we call God, Allah). This natural belief is called in Islam the "fitrah". I gave a response on this here... Therefore, you don't know whether Allah is alive or not. Intelligent Design it really is! @Tycho I am surprised he slipped this fallacy past you… See he is telling you that those things that work well in nature are here courtesy of ID. Now this is how wonderful is ID is: If you assume the world is older than the 6000 years creationists want you to believe, then even if you go with 20,000 year, we know the most species that ever existed on our planet earth are extinct now; for thousands of years, humans suffered/died from simple illnesses; life expectancy was barely 30 years; barbaric wars were the norm; and yet through all these years, the ID creator watched with indifference. Then about 2000 years ago in bronze age Palestine or 1400 years ago in the same region the ID creator decided it was time to intervene by offering as a sacrifice a Galilean carpenter or sharing his revelation with illiterate merchant. Such intelligent design it was…Now with benefit of hindsight, ID proponents can lay claim to discoveries made in medicine, cosmology and evolution - what a way to shift goal posts! I'm not sure the intelligent design argument passed me. The importance of what he's admitted is perhaps the weightier... a kind of alienation. @Apricot don't you know @tycho believes in God? Everything obeys the laws of nature... defined by the designer or creator... AS I said in earlier post, if a child were left alone, it would grow up aware of Almighty God in His Unity, but all children are affected by the pressures of their environment. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), reported that God the Exalted said: "I created My servants in the right religion, but the devils made them go astray." The Messenger of God (pbuh) also said: "Each child is born in a state of fitrah, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian."
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2011 Posts: 181 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:
@Apricot don't you know @tycho believes in God? Everything obeys the laws of nature... defined by the designer or creator...
AS I said in earlier post, if a child were left alone, it would grow up aware of Almighty God in His Unity, but all children are affected by the pressures of their environment.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), reported that God the Exalted said: "I created My servants in the right religion, but the devils made them go astray."
The Messenger of God (pbuh) also said: "Each child is born in a state of fitrah, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian."
@Apricot don't you know @tycho believes in God? I believe Tycho can speak for himself. Everything obeys the laws of nature... defined by the designer or creator... What is your evidence for this? If it your holy book then don’t bother replying.AS I said in earlier post, if a child were left alone, it would grow up aware of Almighty God in His Unity, but all children are affected by the pressures of their environment. You also fail to mention that they would not grow up as Muslim, or Christian or Hindu, etc., either. But if you mean they are spiritually aware, I contend that spiritual awareness is not equivalent to worshipping a man-made god. Our minds are pattern seeking. We want to understand the sun, the moon, the cosmos, wind, fire, etc. When we don’t understand these, we seek irrational explanations and submit to servile instincts. Spiritual awareness embodies how to coexist in harmony with nature and with other primates.The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), reported that God the Exalted said: "I created My servants in the right religion, but the devils made them go astray." Every religion claims it is the right religion! This plurality of religions is a clear testimony that religions/god(s) were created by men/women in their own image and for their benefit? Further, the Persians created hell, the Jews perfected the idea and the rest of us adopted the belief wholesomely. Nothing would change if you expunged the idea of heaven and hell, angels and devils; except that there would be nothing to cling to for the believer when confronted with the thought of the afterlife. Did hell even exist in the Old testament?The Messenger of God (pbuh) also said: "Each child is born in a state of fitrah, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian." Or muslim, or Buddhist, or Jain, or Hindu, or cult of attis & cybele….First time in history we can save the human race by laying in front of the TV and doing nothing. Let's not screw it up
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Apricot wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:Is Allah alive, and if yes, how is he/she/it alive? @tycho, just know that believe in God (in Arabic Allah) is true. This tendency of a doubt is given in the Quran many instances. And the treatment of that is you need to look at the creation of Allah, and ponder over this creation, and you see the perfection and all of these will become a reason for you to accept the fact that there must be someone behind. This is the idea of INTELLIGENT designer. You will be able to see that there is someone behind all of these. So look at the existence around yo, and think about this existence, ponder about how they couldn't have come into existence if there was no one behind them... it can't be a chance! You see, the natural tendency to obey laws of nature is printed on the human even from mother's womb. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural obedience to laws of nature (nature has been designed by a designer, we call God, Allah). This natural belief is called in Islam the "fitrah". I gave a response on this here... Therefore, you don't know whether Allah is alive or not. Intelligent Design it really is! @Tycho I am surprised he slipped this fallacy past you… See he is telling you that those things that work well in nature are here courtesy of ID. Now this is how wonderful is ID is: If you assume the world is older than the 6000 years creationists want you to believe, then even if you go with 20,000 year, we know the most species that ever existed on our planet earth are extinct now; for thousands of years, humans suffered/died from simple illnesses; life expectancy was barely 30 years; barbaric wars were the norm; and yet through all these years, the ID creator watched with indifference. Then about 2000 years ago in bronze age Palestine or 1400 years ago in the same region the ID creator decided it was time to intervene by offering as a sacrifice a Galilean carpenter or sharing his revelation with illiterate merchant. Such intelligent design it was…Now with benefit of hindsight, ID proponents can lay claim to discoveries made in medicine, cosmology and evolution - what a way to shift goal posts! I'm not sure the intelligent design argument passed me. The importance of what he's admitted is perhaps the weightier... a kind of alienation. @Apricot don't you know @tycho believes in God? Everything obeys the laws of nature... defined by the designer or creator... AS I said in earlier post, if a child were left alone, it would grow up aware of Almighty God in His Unity, but all children are affected by the pressures of their environment. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), reported that God the Exalted said: "I created My servants in the right religion, but the devils made them go astray." The Messenger of God (pbuh) also said: "Each child is born in a state of fitrah, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian." For me @AlphDoti, you quit reasoning a long time ago. Now you're restricted to memory verses and reharshing old myths and doctrine. Your God and mine are radically different...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:"In Saudi, it's hard to be straight when you're young. The women are shut away so everyone has gay sex. But they only want to have sex with boys – 15- to 21-year-olds. I'm 27, so I'm too old now. I need to find real gays, so this is the best place. All Arab gays want to live in Dubai." http://www.independent.c...e-of-dubai-1664368.html
Man is evil, no amount of legalism can save him.
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