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AlphDoti wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@2012, Yes. Muslims worship Yahweh the creator of this universe... Allah is God's name in Arabic. The same God whose name is Mwenyezi Mungu in swahili, Ngai in Kikuyu, Mulungu in Kamba, Nyasaye in Luyia, Asis in Kalenjin etc.
Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, Mungu, Ngai, Dieux etc no difference Alpha, I have met a number of Muslim ladies who dont shake hands. One of them told me it is haram for a Muslim woman to shake hands with a man unless they are related. Is this true? What is the basis for the prohibition? How come the majority shake hands? @Wakanyugi, thank you for asking me this question. Yes it is not allowed for the opposite gender to shake hands apart from those who are related to e.g. father, brother, husband, son, uncle, grandfather, grandsons, nephews... Let me give you an analogy which is close to this. Does every Tom, Dik and Harry shake the Queen's hands? Obviously no. So our religion has placed the Muslim woman even over and above the England Queen. She's a queen in her throne that not everyone has got the status to shake her lovely hands. Thank you. But why only women? Are men not Kings too? Can cousins shake hands? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:Lolest! wrote:2012 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muslim also means one who not only believes in Allah as his Rabbi (the Creator), but also believes in the Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h as the Last Messenger of Allah. @AlphDoti, I've always wondered, did Islam originate from Ishmael, first son of Abraham? Do Muslims worship Yahweh, the same God as the Christians? It's very Ishmaelite. So Abraham passed blessing to Ishmael; Isaac gave us the Messiah & all the prophets before him but Ishmael only gave us Muhammad CONfusion What about prophet Lot. What about Prophet Noah. What about prophet Enock... They were not born by Isaac. But still they are prophets of God. It's fun to know these numbers, how many prophets born by so and so prophets etc but it doesn't hold any logical or theological importance. I hope you agree with me on that? No The God of the OT is definitely not Muhammad's god Infact, one of these supreme beings is bonoko They lead us to separate paths
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Wakanyugi wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@2012, Yes. Muslims worship Yahweh the creator of this universe... Allah is God's name in Arabic. The same God whose name is Mwenyezi Mungu in swahili, Ngai in Kikuyu, Mulungu in Kamba, Nyasaye in Luyia, Asis in Kalenjin etc.
Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, Mungu, Ngai, Dieux etc no difference Alpha, I have met a number of Muslim ladies who dont shake hands. One of them told me it is haram for a Muslim woman to shake hands with a man unless they are related. Is this true? What is the basis for the prohibition? How come the majority shake hands? @Wakanyugi, thank you for asking me this question. Yes it is not allowed for the opposite gender to shake hands apart from those who are related to e.g. father, brother, husband, son, uncle, grandfather, grandsons, nephews... Let me give you an analogy which is close to this. Does every Tom, Dik and Harry shake the Queen's hands? Obviously no. So our religion has placed the Muslim woman even over and above the England Queen. She's a queen in her throne that not everyone has got the status to shake her lovely hands. Thank you. But why only women? Are men not Kings too? Can cousins shake hands? @Wakanyugi, this is not for women only. Just like you consider your woman as QUEEN, you automatically are the KING. QUEEN for KING, PRINCESS for PRINCE. An analogy. It is because you had asked me about the women... It is vice versa for men too... the men are not allowed to shake the hands of the opposite gender who are not related to e.g. mother, sister, wife, daughter, aunt, grandmother, granddaughters, nieces... See detailed response below...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@Wakanyugi, the detailed answer, please read.
It is a misconception when people talk about the veil, about hijab in Islam, (hijab or veil means modesty) they always think the hijab is for women only. But God in Quran first speaks about the hijab for man and then of the woman.
If you read the Quran in Surah Noor chapter 24:30:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
It means, whenever a man looks at a woman who is not his wife, and if any unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze. First the man should be dressed modestly.
The next verse in the Quran Surah Noor chapter 24:31 speaks about hijab for women, says:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."
It means that in front of the people she cannot marry she does not have to wear hijab, otherwise for all other people, she should maintain the hijab.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife He must have started with a handshake
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife
He must have started with a handshake Wueeeeh!!!  Stones thrown.....waiting....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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quicksand wrote:Lolest! wrote:Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife
He must have started with a handshake Wueeeeh!!! Stones thrown.....waiting.... No @lonest. It didn't start after Muhammad p.b.u.h... I'm sure you'll recognize the below verse: " Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:Lolest! wrote:Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife
He must have started with a handshake Wueeeeh!!! Stones thrown.....waiting.... No @lonest. It didn't start after Muhammad p.b.u.h... I'm sure you'll recognize the below verse: " Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) This women thing .... really gets your goat doesn't it? You really plumb the depths, from the Bible to the Quran to bring us these gems..singular focus ...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:Lolest! wrote:Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife
He must have started with a handshake Wueeeeh!!! Stones thrown.....waiting.... No @lonest. It didn't start after Muhammad p.b.u.h... I'm sure you'll recognize the below verse: " Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) This women thing .... really gets your goat doesn't it? You really plumb the depths, from the Bible to the Quran to bring us these gems..singular focus ... @quicksand, the above was meant for @lonest. I was just trying to remove some ignorance from some people. Let me give him some more infor from Judaism: Background
There are a variety of reasons in Judaism that are used to justify gender separation to varying degrees.
In Pirkei Avot 1:5, Yosi ben Yochanan says that a man who spends too much time talking to women, even his wife, neglects the study of Torah and will inherit gehinnom.
Chapter 152 of Kitzur Shulchan Aruch details a series of laws forbidding interaction between persons of the opposite sex who are not married or closely related. Some of the prohibitions include physical contact, isolation with members of the opposite sex, staring at women or any of there body parts or attire, or conversation for pleasure.You can also look at the status of women in earlier civilizations
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:Lolest! wrote:Maybe that rule was brought about after Muhammad stole his son's wife
He must have started with a handshake Wueeeeh!!! Stones thrown.....waiting.... No @lonest. It didn't start after Muhammad p.b.u.h... I'm sure you'll recognize the below verse: " Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35) Mathukuma opined that recency and Muhammad's longevity gave Islam the finer feel. He had enough time to come up with new rules. This rule must've been based on his experiences. He was a real he-goat. How many wives did he have before going adulterous on his daughter-in-law?
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