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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,563 Location: nairobi
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sparkly wrote:rwitre wrote:Local banks take Sh8 billion hit in KQ sharesQuote: KQ, as the national carrier is known by its international code, in 2017 issued the lenders with 2.2 billion shares to settle their loans amounting to Sh17 billion.
The shares were acquired at a price of Sh7.78 each but the airline’s stock price has since dropped 51.7 percent to close at Sh3.75 on Friday, resulting in the lenders’ paper loss of Sh8.6 billion.
This means that banks will find it difficult to sell their holdings at a profit, with KQ’s continued losses and wipeout of shareholder funds making a recovery less likely in the medium term.
The share price drop also hurts the lenders’ plans to sell an additional 663.5 million shares through the NSE over the next nine years. KQ is to issue the second batch of shares at a similar price of Sh7.78 each upon request and the lenders are to sell them immediately in the open market.
Guarantees
Losses on the second group of shares are, however, expected to be partly mitigated by government guarantees.
KQ reported a net loss of Sh7.5 billion in the year ended December when its costs surpassed its revenue significantly.
The new loss sent the airline back to a negative equity of Sh2.4 billion, meaning that the recent capital restructuring moves are inadequate and the company urgently needs more funds to stay aloft.
Individual investors in the national carrier have fared even worse since most of them will only break even when the stock trades at Sh21.2. This means that they are sitting on a paper loss of 82 per cent.
Yaani even when price recovers there will be an avalanche of supply waiting The lenders were scammed into converting debt to equity. The wise ones should had sold immediately they broke even (if at all) The shares went up to KES 18.5 upon listing in Nov 2017 but who would offload the billions of shares without a crater to the price? COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,563 Location: nairobi
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It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,130 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! Though, do not forget to keep the money you owe me aside. 100,000 + interest Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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[quote=VituVingiSana]I have been saying for ages that the members/shareholders of KQLC should fully impair their holdings in KQ/KQLC. https://www.businessdail...1630-8npk19z/index.html[/quote] KQLC will be paid off and KQ will become 100% owned by Gok Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,130 Location: Nairobi
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but those who were not coerced into buying KQ shares should not be paid off by the Taxpayer. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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[quote=VituVingiSana]I have been saying for ages that the members/shareholders of KQLC should fully impair their holdings in KQ/KQLC. https://www.businessdail...1630-8npk19z/index.html[/quote] And if GoK decides to nationalize they should buy at the current market price. None of that 8.52 nonsense. KQLC will have to take a hit.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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obiero wrote:It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! Don't do it
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! Your only comfort is that a governments only child cannot die "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,130 Location: Nairobi
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nairobby wrote:obiero wrote:It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! Don't do it Wacha anunue. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 913
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2 bob and below here we come.KQ is looking tastier every day. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/8/2018 Posts: 507 Location: Nairobi
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HaMaina wrote:2 bob and below here we come.KQ is looking tastier every day. Wewe si uko Mumias pia? Mbona hamjipendi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/23/2014 Posts: 913
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rwitre wrote:HaMaina wrote:2 bob and below here we come.KQ is looking tastier every day. Wewe si uko Mumias pia? Mbona hamjipendi Kujipenda twajipenda tena sana. Hiyo ndiyo sababu hatuhami. Mtu mwerevu hutafuta madam, na kumtunza mpaka akaitwa mrembo na mwenye afya. Ukitafuta mrembo mtashindana mkiwa wengi. “You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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obiero wrote:It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! Consider using 10% of your net investment in KQ to bet as a risk mitigation measure Sir Obiero. I believe you have a higher chance of making money in betting than KQ If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,563 Location: nairobi
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Swenani wrote:obiero wrote:It's official, I am averaging down with intent to push holding up to 384,000 shares at an approximate NEW cash outlay cost of KES 1,150,000, with objective to bring down ABP to circa KES 8.0.. Wish me luck! Consider using 10% of your net investment in KQ to bet as a risk mitigation measure Sir Obiero. I believe you have a higher chance of making money in betting than KQ I understand where you are coming from with the statement COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127
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This could end up being a very sticky situation for both kq and GoK. A loss making parastatal continuously bleeding money from a broke government... The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,563 Location: nairobi
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lochaz-index wrote:This could end up being a very sticky situation for both kq and GoK. A loss making parastatal continuously bleeding money from a broke government... Its the worst mistake that the 12th parliament will be remembered for.. The minority shareholders in KQ are not poor people. We raised KES 14.48B in 2012 for the airline. Why didn't they turn to us? Just GoK wanting to knock down the aspirations of 80,000 hard working shareholders COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,130 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:lochaz-index wrote:This could end up being a very sticky situation for both kq and GoK. A loss making parastatal continuously bleeding money from a broke government... Its the worst mistake that the 12th parliament will be remembered for.. The minority shareholders in KQ are not poor people. We raised KES 14.48B in 2012 for the airline. Why didn't they turn to us? Just GoK wanting to knock down the aspirations of 80,000 hard working shareholders Please provide a breakdown of who contributed what to that 14.5bn. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,563 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:lochaz-index wrote:This could end up being a very sticky situation for both kq and GoK. A loss making parastatal continuously bleeding money from a broke government... Its the worst mistake that the 12th parliament will be remembered for.. The minority shareholders in KQ are not poor people. We raised KES 14.48B in 2012 for the airline. Why didn't they turn to us? Just GoK wanting to knock down the aspirations of 80,000 hard working shareholders Please provide a breakdown of who contributed what to that 14.5bn. The below is the dream team COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:lochaz-index wrote:This could end up being a very sticky situation for both kq and GoK. A loss making parastatal continuously bleeding money from a broke government... Its the worst mistake that the 12th parliament will be remembered for.. The minority shareholders in KQ are not poor people. We raised KES 14.48B in 2012 for the airline. Why didn't they turn to us? Just GoK wanting to knock down the aspirations of 80,000 hard working shareholders Please provide a breakdown of who contributed what to that 14.5bn. The below is the dream team Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,563 Location: nairobi
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Pesa Nane wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:lochaz-index wrote:This could end up being a very sticky situation for both kq and GoK. A loss making parastatal continuously bleeding money from a broke government... Its the worst mistake that the 12th parliament will be remembered for.. The minority shareholders in KQ are not poor people. We raised KES 14.48B in 2012 for the airline. Why didn't they turn to us? Just GoK wanting to knock down the aspirations of 80,000 hard working shareholders Please provide a breakdown of who contributed what to that 14.5bn. The below is the dream team Hapo sasa 😂 COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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