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KenyaRe FY19 - FY23 (Both Inclusive)
Elephant Man
#611 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2021 11:19:53 AM
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For a re-insurance company that has enjoyed the benefit of compulsory cessions from Gava (i.e. the taxpayer) since its inception, minority shareholders have very little to show other than tiny dividends and the odd bonus here or there (cutting my cake into smaller pieces, then trying to cheat me by saying that I now have more pieces of cake - nkt)!

Advertising on billboards is a pure 'procurement play' - no perceived benefit to Kenya-Re or its shareholders - benefit is to whichever billboard company that they are using. Board and MD are not in the know? Question of competence, if not integrity.

Their CSR (Niko fiti) is towards persons with physical disability. I have no quarrel with that - in fact I fully support it. I just need them to know that right now many of their shareholders are financially disabled!

The share price for this company has underperformed (on a PE basis) it's peers in the industry as well as the market as a whole for many years! So what is there to celebrate about being in business for 50 years?

GoK is suffering without money at the moment so this is the right time that Gava either divests from it or gives it out to 'professional' managers to run, given the paucity of returns from the current bunch at the trough.
VituVingiSana
#612 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2021 12:04:18 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
Elephant Man wrote:
For a re-insurance company that has enjoyed the benefit of compulsory cessions from Gava (i.e. the taxpayer) since its inception, minority shareholders have very little to show other than tiny dividends and the odd bonus here or there (cutting my cake into smaller pieces, then trying to cheat me by saying that I now have more pieces of cake - nkt)!

Advertising on billboards is a pure 'procurement play' - no perceived benefit to Kenya-Re or its shareholders - benefit is to whichever billboard company that they are using. Board and MD are not in the know? Question of competence, if not integrity.

Their CSR (Niko fiti) is towards persons with physical disability. I have no quarrel with that - in fact I fully support it. I just need them to know that right now many of their shareholders are financially disabled!

The share price for this company has underperformed (on a PE basis) it's peers in the industry as well as the market as a whole for many years! So what is there to celebrate about being in business for 50 years?

GoK is suffering without money at the moment so this is the right time that Gava either divests from it or gives it out to 'professional' managers to run, given the paucity of returns from the current bunch at the trough.

Applause Applause Applause Someone needs to send this to the board!
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Ericsson
#613 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2021 12:08:32 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Elephant Man wrote:
For a re-insurance company that has enjoyed the benefit of compulsory cessions from Gava (i.e. the taxpayer) since its inception, minority shareholders have very little to show other than tiny dividends and the odd bonus here or there (cutting my cake into smaller pieces, then trying to cheat me by saying that I now have more pieces of cake - nkt)!

Advertising on billboards is a pure 'procurement play' - no perceived benefit to Kenya-Re or its shareholders - benefit is to whichever billboard company that they are using. Board and MD are not in the know? Question of competence, if not integrity.

Their CSR (Niko fiti) is towards persons with physical disability. I have no quarrel with that - in fact I fully support it. I just need them to know that right now many of their shareholders are financially disabled!

The share price for this company has underperformed (on a PE basis) it's peers in the industry as well as the market as a whole for many years! So what is there to celebrate about being in business for 50 years?

GoK is suffering without money at the moment so this is the right time that Gava either divests from it or gives it out to 'professional' managers to run, given the paucity of returns from the current bunch at the trough.

Applause Applause Applause Someone needs to send this to the board!


DM through twitter or tweet to the chairman and the corporation twitter handle
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#614 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2021 12:11:53 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Kenya Reinsurance has put a tender for sale of Reinsurance Plaza Kisumu.
Reserve price Ksh.1 billion



A special dividend will be great

From past experiences I don't see this coming.

Kenya Re needs to rejig their portfolio.
They should reduce their holding in government securities.Going forward yields on them are going down which will reduce the interest income.
Their portfolio in quoted securities is very small at ksh.2bn yet assets is 53bn.
In my opinion a good level of holdings in quoted securities should be about ksh.6bn
From 2bn to 6bn (with total assets of 53bn) hardly moves the needle. 10bn minimum (20%) in equities (at low prices) in good firms and reduce the % exposure to real estate.

Trying to sell the Kisumu building is a good start.

In the current economic environment,they are finding it difficult to get a buyer.
Happens. No surprise there.

Let them sell it and give the special dividend
#TanoTena manenos. I doubt it will be sold at 1bn in 2021.


In that case they have two options;
-Lower the price
-Abandon the plan of selling it for now,hold it and continue earning rental income as they wait for economic conditions to improve


Sale has been shelved due to lack of buyers
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Elephant Man
#615 Posted : Monday, March 08, 2021 2:49:45 PM
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So more money wasted on a failed process - advertising a building for sale.

There is more to this than meets the eye. 'Ordinary' Kenyans are praying and queueing and walking out of Kemsa/NYS and the like, with sack-loads (wheel-barrows?) of cash - and Kenya Re is having difficulty in selling a relatively new commercial building in KISUMU CITY for a measly Kshs. 1 billion? Next, you may hear of some other government entity wanting to put a building in the same location for Kshs.5b! But, there is no incentive or rent-seeking opportunity when buying/selling from/to another GoK entity...

I would actually not mind Kenya Re investing 0.0001% of their portfolio in some high risk venture - ETF, Tesla,Bitcoin, FX etc - they need to show some imagination, creativity, boldness and adventure in their portfolio management - the board will not be sacked if this type of investment went belly up!

Ericsson
#616 Posted : Friday, March 12, 2021 11:10:08 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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Location: NAIROBI
2.69 seems to be a resistance for the share price,it's unable to rise past that
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#617 Posted : Saturday, March 13, 2021 4:48:18 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
Location: nairobi
Elephant Man wrote:
So more money wasted on a failed process - advertising a building for sale.

There is more to this than meets the eye. 'Ordinary' Kenyans are praying and queueing and walking out of Kemsa/NYS and the like, with sack-loads (wheel-barrows?) of cash - and Kenya Re is having difficulty in selling a relatively new commercial building in KISUMU CITY for a measly Kshs. 1 billion? Next, you may hear of some other government entity wanting to put a building in the same location for Kshs.5b! But, there is no incentive or rent-seeking opportunity when buying/selling from/to another GoK entity...

I would actually not mind Kenya Re investing 0.0001% of their portfolio in some high risk venture - ETF, Tesla,Bitcoin, FX etc - they need to show some imagination, creativity, boldness and adventure in their portfolio management - the board will not be sacked if this type of investment went belly up!


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Ericsson
#618 Posted : Saturday, March 13, 2021 10:29:35 PM
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Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
The tenure of the MD is coming to an end this year.
He has served two terms of 5 years each.
He was appointed MD in April 2011
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#619 Posted : Monday, March 22, 2021 6:01:24 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Elephant Man wrote:
Would prefer that they paid a better dividend for 2020 rather than spending loads of money advertising 50 years in business on billboards around town as if they are manufacturers of some soap or cooking oil or some other FMCG! After all, when does the public walk into their offices to purchase re-insurance?
Applause Applause Applause You need to write to the MD! Or the Chairperson. Applause Applause Applause


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I support @ElephantMan 100%. Pay more in dividends. Or use the "billboard advertising" to reach out and support its clients/staff/brokers.


Waah
The billboards are many,put on all the major highways in Nairobi.
Like ElephantMan has said,you might think Kenya Re manufactures and sells FMCG,soap,cooking or is a telco company like Safaricom,Airtel or Telkom kenya advertising its product/service.
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Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#620 Posted : Wednesday, March 31, 2021 8:44:05 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
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Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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