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Is Taking a Mortgage the WORST Decision Ever??
maka
#591 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 12:54:06 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Some mortgages are company backed and affortable ........... bank staff.



anything below 10% is ok for me...
possunt quia posse videntur
Aguytrying
#592 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 1:27:26 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Bottomline. Taking a mortgage is the worst decision ever.


It's a double whammy here in KE.

1. The house is overvalued
2. The high mortgage rate on that overvalued house
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
kiwaru
#593 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 2:48:22 PM
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not taking a mortgage is inefficient. Uta-save mpaka lini to acquire a dwelling place that is within "reasonable" distance from civilization (CBD)?
Meanwhile if you take a mortgage the bank will try to shaft you. aaaaarghhhh!!!!
Emerger
#594 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 3:28:28 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Bottomline. Taking a mortgage is the worst decision ever.


I would rather say it depends..
Ideally a mortgage helps one own a home(read property) that you need/want but you can't own/afford now (unless you can from savings et al). So the mortgagor enables you to own it but at a cost (read interest). The challenge is factors behind the cost to incure (principal is constant but interest depends on the rate movement which is determined by both market factors as well as the government behaviour (level of borrowing)).
If one does major prepayments then the cost would be significantly reduced as interest payments will be reduced in a stable interests regime.
The lack of many mortgagors stiffles the uptake to an extent, as most do not have a high appetite for mortgage business hence small allocation limit in their portfolio.
Majority pf bank staff as said would tell its not a worst decision.
etc
bengraham
#595 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 5:56:01 PM
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Real Estate Woes-the secret lives of house poor canadians

http://www.cbc.ca/news/b...oor-canadians-1.3086793

Could this phenomenon also be at play in our Kenyan scenario? i.e. Kenyans with mortgages for their "dream" homes that are costing them every drop of blood and hence they cannot afford unexpected shocks like an increase in expenses or increase in interest rates. Could it be that some of the nairobians living in leafy suburbs in 15m shilling apartments and the like are really living the secret lives of the house poor?
Invest at the point of maximum pessimism.
tmakto
#596 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 8:22:21 PM
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Mortgage in Kenya currently not as attractive as can be, all basic comparative analysis aside, I'd say it's especially WORST when you can't let the unit for equal or more than the monthly installments!
enyands
#597 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2015 9:41:16 PM
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Emerger wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
Bottomline. Taking a mortgage is the worst decision ever.


I would rather say it depends..
Ideally a mortgage helps one own a home(read property) that you need/want but you can't own/afford now (unless you can from savings et al). So the mortgagor enables you to own it but at a cost (read interest). The challenge is factors behind the cost to incure (principal is constant but interest depends on the rate movement which is determined by both market factors as well as the government behaviour (level of borrowing)).
If one does major prepayments then the cost would be significantly reduced as interest payments will be reduced in a stable interests regime.
The lack of many mortgagors stiffles the uptake to an extent, as most do not have a high appetite for mortgage business hence small allocation limit in their portfolio.
Majority pf bank staff as said would tell its not a worst decision.
etc


my colleague was working for a bank and the rate they were giving us by then was 5% no downpayment , so as long as you are a bank employee then you are safe. wait until you quit or resign then you will realize its not a good decision as you thought like what happened to him. he took a house for 3.5million in rongai in 2008.his monthly payment was something like 28k.when he quit recently it hiked to 80k+ a month. he couldn't afford it and had to sell it off after making payments for 5 yrs.
Interest rates for houses should be fixed if they want to encourage ownnerships but as long as its over 10% then its worse and mbaya kabisa

Boris Boyka
#598 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2015 5:05:28 AM
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enyands wrote:
Emerger wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
Bottomline. Taking a mortgage is the worst decision ever.


I would rather say it depends..
Ideally a mortgage helps one own a home(read property) that you need/want but you can't own/afford now (unless you can from savings et al). So the mortgagor enables you to own it but at a cost (read interest). The challenge is factors behind the cost to incure (principal is constant but interest depends on the rate movement which is determined by both market factors as well as the government behaviour (level of borrowing)).
If one does major prepayments then the cost would be significantly reduced as interest payments will be reduced in a stable interests regime.
The lack of many mortgagors stiffles the uptake to an extent, as most do not have a high appetite for mortgage business hence small allocation limit in their portfolio.
Majority pf bank staff as said would tell its not a worst decision.
etc


my colleaguethe Wazua friend was working for a bank and the rate they were giving us by then was 5% no downpayment , so as long as you are a bank employee then you are safe. wait until you quit or resign then you will realize its not a good decision as you thought like what happened to him. he took a house for 3.5million in rongai in 2008.his monthly payment was something like 28k.when he quit recently it hiked to 80k+ a month. he couldn't afford it and had to sell it off after making payments for 5 yrs.
Interest rates for houses should be fixed if they want to encourage ownnerships but as long as its over 10% then its worse and mbaya kabisa


So how much are you paying now?smile
Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
enyands
#599 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:37:05 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
enyands wrote:
Emerger wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
Bottomline. Taking a mortgage is the worst decision ever.


I would rather say it depends..
Ideally a mortgage helps one own a home(read property) that you need/want but you can't own/afford now (unless you can from savings et al). So the mortgagor enables you to own it but at a cost (read interest). The challenge is factors behind the cost to incure (principal is constant but interest depends on the rate movement which is determined by both market factors as well as the government behaviour (level of borrowing)).
If one does major prepayments then the cost would be significantly reduced as interest payments will be reduced in a stable interests regime.
The lack of many mortgagors stiffles the uptake to an extent, as most do not have a high appetite for mortgage business hence small allocation limit in their portfolio.
Majority pf bank staff as said would tell its not a worst decision.
etc


my colleaguethe Wazua friend was working for a bank and the rate they were giving us by then was 5% no downpayment , so as long as you are a bank employee then you are safe. wait until you quit or resign then you will realize its not a good decision as you thought like what happened to him. he took a house for 3.5million in rongai in 2008.his monthly payment was something like 28k.when he quit recently it hiked to 80k+ a month. he couldn't afford it and had to sell it off after making payments for 5 yrs.
Interest rates for houses should be fixed if they want to encourage ownnerships but as long as its over 10% then its worse and mbaya kabisa


So how much are you paying now?smile


I sold mine before I resigned. I knew what was ahead waiting for me.for him he waited thinking he could cope with the payments after quiting but he was wrong
Aguytrying
#600 Posted : Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:34:48 AM
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Let's put is simply. Any mortgage with a rate higher than than the rental yield is a bad deal. The rental yield should be even higher than then mortgage rate to pay you back for the extra risk you are taking on.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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