Wendz wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:
One more thing....
The source of all Good, all Justice, all Truth, all that we seek in 'strong laws and institutions'.
The source of all that we call Right and Fair and Good is God.
God as revealed in the holy scriptures and in his historically documented dealings with man.
You will be wise to seek him first.
Disclaimer (coming first before you misinterprete me and start kunikemea! I am a staunch christian)
Firstly No Comment on your disclaimer
Wendz wrote:
Granted and the fact that I have a different opinion by the way, has got no bearing with how i relate to my God.
This Depends.
If your opinion differs from mine, the above is true.
If your opinion differs from scripture(Gods opinion), the above is false.
Wendz wrote:
As christians as we may want to be, God put us on earth where we are going to be ruled by an earthly kings... during the olden days, He Himself appointed the kings...
God Ruled Israel via his servants the Judges, Samuel was the last Judge, The people wanted to be ruled by kings like their neighbors, this distressed Samuel, God clarified to Samuel that it was not he that they had rejected but God.
Wendz wrote:
now that we do the voting and we do not have that elaborate miracle happen as it used to during that time, this is where the laws of the land come in...
The laws of the land were present and in operation before during and after the reigns of Israels kings. There were also laws wherever the people of Israel were captives.
Wendz wrote:
same laws that were applied when Jesus was crucified
here i beg to quote the actual text...
John 19:6 When therefore the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him! Pilate saith unto them, Take him yourselves, and crucify him: for I find no crime in him.
Wendz wrote:
and he never said that they should quite applying them and only be ruled by the word of God...
Remember as you render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's you render to God what is God's. The meaning of this is.... in whose image are YOU made. Then to God you should render your life.
Which is greater? what you render to Ceasar of what you render to God?
Wendz wrote:
this is because he knew the government had a purpose... otherwise, he wouldnt even have advocated for taxes to be paid. Why didnt he say "do not pay any more taxes to these governments especially given that the likes of zachaeus will steal your money".... that is where the constitution comes in.... Even if lets say we agree to Vote No, we still will need this constitution and the need for strong institutions is undebatable.
I beg to say this.
1.If you profess Christianity, your hope is not
in a constitution or anything outside of the
Lord your God.
2. If you are handed a choice between having a
law to govern your affairs that can
potentially hinder the free exercise of your
faith and a law that does not hinder you...
you choose the latter.