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ARM Cement HY18
obiero
#51 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 8:34:06 PM
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Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is a lesson to be learnt.

I use an investment process.
I run the visible variables through it. The numbers from the Annual Report. And other data from other published sources. And my assumptions gleaned from experience, newspapers, visits, etc.

I have tweaked my process since ARM but that doesn't mean the process was fundamentally flawed. After all it also led to KK.
And has done so to KenRe, Unga and Centum. I am quite comfortable with these.

"Long ago, Ben Graham taught me that 'Price is what you pay; value is what you get.' Whether we're talking about socks or stocks, I like buying quality merchandise when it is marked down." - Warren Buffett

No, I do NOT get every call right. I just need to get a few (significant/core) calls right. Someone who claims to be 100% right should be a billionaire many times over. So if I start waxing lyrical about getting ALL my calls right, please call me out.

Data I used included:
- CDC investing $50mn into ARM which, apparently, they did not. The irony is that 2 years later that's what NCC/Devki is paying for ALL of ARM's Kenyan assets.
- The NAV. I did apply a significant discount.
- The economy. There was a light at the end of the tunnel but the tunnel, as it turned out, was very long.
- Change in the board and management was imminent. There were new directors and a new Chairman ready to go. Also a new CEO.

The process also takes into account the type of investment. I do not go from "nothing to Core" but usually build it up over time.
From nothing to Tier 3 - Total Tier 3 is less than 5% of my portfolio
Tier 3 to Tier 2 - Learning more about the firm/s. Going to AGMs. Reading a lot more. They may get stuck in limbo here. I need to learn when to sell.
Tier 2 to Core - That's where I have what some call "conviction"

Then I wait and monitor. This is where it gets boring but I am old so I don't want too much excitement. There may be good and bad quarters/halves. But there is little going on except making steady gains. The firms chug along. Monitoring and Patience are key. And even then one may get it wrong since complacency may set in.

I think the announcement that CDC would invest $50mn was the most important factor but until the money is disbursed do not believe it. This is an IMPORTANT lesson I have learnt.

Eloquent eulogy.. RIP ARM
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
Fyatu
#52 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 9:50:41 PM
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Location: Nakuru
maka wrote:
Devki Group subsidiary National Cement enters into an agreement to acquire all cement and non-cement assets and business of ARM Cement PLC for Sh 5.0 Billion.



Surely, management and administrators should be courteous enough and send shareholders a circular that provides details of this deal plus other disclosures(e.g., what happens to Tanzania assets and how much are they worth etc). We cannot be relying on media who provide scanty information
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
VituVingiSana
#53 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 9:58:06 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Fyatu wrote:
maka wrote:
Devki Group subsidiary National Cement enters into an agreement to acquire all cement and non-cement assets and business of ARM Cement PLC for Sh 5.0 Billion.

Surely, management and administrators should be courteous enough and send shareholders a circular that provides details of this deal plus other disclosures(e.g., what happens to Tanzania assets and how much are they worth etc). We cannot be relying on media who provide scanty information
The document or press release that was released by the Administrators was scanty. One can't blame the media for not having sufficient information.
I do not think the Administrators will send anything to shareholders given their clients are the banks not the shareholders.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Fyatu
#54 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:27:54 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
maka wrote:
Devki Group subsidiary National Cement enters into an agreement to acquire all cement and non-cement assets and business of ARM Cement PLC for Sh 5.0 Billion.

Surely, management and administrators should be courteous enough and send shareholders a circular that provides details of this deal plus other disclosures(e.g., what happens to Tanzania assets and how much are they worth etc). We cannot be relying on media who provide scanty information
The document or press release that was released by the Administrators was scanty. One can't blame the media for not having sufficient information.
I do not think the Administrators will send anything to shareholders given their clients are the banks not the shareholders.



In that case the board should provide more information
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
VituVingiSana
#55 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:34:56 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
maka wrote:
Devki Group subsidiary National Cement enters into an agreement to acquire all cement and non-cement assets and business of ARM Cement PLC for Sh 5.0 Billion.

Surely, management and administrators should be courteous enough and send shareholders a circular that provides details of this deal plus other disclosures(e.g., what happens to Tanzania assets and how much are they worth etc). We cannot be relying on media who provide scanty information
The document or press release that was released by the Administrators was scanty. One can't blame the media for not having sufficient information.
I do not think the Administrators will send anything to shareholders given their clients are the banks not the shareholders.

In that case the board should provide more information
Is there a board under Administration?
It seems the Administrators have all the say in this. Perhaps the creditors have some say given they appointed the Administrators.

Any cash left over will be eaten up by the Administrators. They have no incentive to leave anything on the table.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#56 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:50:36 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,302
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
maka wrote:
Devki Group subsidiary National Cement enters into an agreement to acquire all cement and non-cement assets and business of ARM Cement PLC for Sh 5.0 Billion.

Surely, management and administrators should be courteous enough and send shareholders a circular that provides details of this deal plus other disclosures(e.g., what happens to Tanzania assets and how much are they worth etc). We cannot be relying on media who provide scanty information
The document or press release that was released by the Administrators was scanty. One can't blame the media for not having sufficient information.
I do not think the Administrators will send anything to shareholders given their clients are the banks not the shareholders.

In that case the board should provide more information
Is there a board under Administration?
It seems the Administrators have all the say in this. Perhaps the creditors have some say given they appointed the Administrators.

Any cash left over will be eaten up by the Administrators. They have no incentive to leave anything on the table.

Minority shareholders with meaningless shares.. It's just the way it is. Poleni
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
VituVingiSana
#57 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:53:14 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,367
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
maka wrote:
Devki Group subsidiary National Cement enters into an agreement to acquire all cement and non-cement assets and business of ARM Cement PLC for Sh 5.0 Billion.

Surely, management and administrators should be courteous enough and send shareholders a circular that provides details of this deal plus other disclosures(e.g., what happens to Tanzania assets and how much are they worth etc). We cannot be relying on media who provide scanty information
The document or press release that was released by the Administrators was scanty. One can't blame the media for not having sufficient information.
I do not think the Administrators will send anything to shareholders given their clients are the banks not the shareholders.

In that case the board should provide more information
Is there a board under Administration?
It seems the Administrators have all the say in this. Perhaps the creditors have some say given they appointed the Administrators.

Any cash left over will be eaten up by the Administrators. They have no incentive to leave anything on the table.

Minority shareholders with meaningless shares.. It's just the way it is. Poleni

Agreed. Look at what's happening in EAPCC, NBK, KQ. Or in GoK-controlled firms. KPLC. Even KenyaRe went through some nutty behavior and I do not think the saga is over.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#58 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:50:59 AM
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Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
the deal wrote:
Burned beyond recognition....in KQ the lenders are shareholders...They can't pull such a stunt...we are in it together...smile


1. Only local lenders became shareholders. KQ is still indebted to international lenders like American EXIM Bank. GoK had to issue new guarantees to the international lenders. If KQ doesn't pay, the international lenders will just seize the leased assets (planes) wherever they will be. Easier now since KQ flies to the US.

2. Paunrana and CDC did the right. If a monkey is dead, leave it for the vultures. You might salvage a few bones after the vultures are done. Its the essence of insolvency/ bankruptcy protection laws. GoK should follow suit and let KQ die. KLM was sensible not to pump more capital into a dead monkey.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#59 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:57:49 AM
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Posts: 14,302
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
the deal wrote:
Burned beyond recognition....in KQ the lenders are shareholders...They can't pull such a stunt...we are in it together...smile


1. Only local lenders became shareholders. KQ is still indebted to international lenders like American EXIM Bank. GoK had to issue new guarantees to the international lenders. If KQ doesn't pay, the international lenders will just seize the leased assets (planes) wherever they will be. Easier now since KQ flies to the US.

2. Paunrana and CDC did the right. If a monkey is dead, leave it for the vultures. You might salvage a few bones after the vultures are done. Its the essence of insolvency/ bankruptcy protection laws. GoK should follow suit and let KQ die. KLM was sensible not to pump more capital into a dead monkey.

1. What is a government guarantee?
2. KLM Heathrow additional slot is currently used by KQ as the 'inkind' KLM contributions.. With the JV still being active

But today we are here to mourn ARM. Let us give our last respects without drama
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
sparkly
#60 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:04:35 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
the deal wrote:
Burned beyond recognition....in KQ the lenders are shareholders...They can't pull such a stunt...we are in it together...smile


1. Only local lenders became shareholders. KQ is still indebted to international lenders like American EXIM Bank. GoK had to issue new guarantees to the international lenders. If KQ doesn't pay, the international lenders will just seize the leased assets (planes) wherever they will be. Easier now since KQ flies to the US.

2. Paunrana and CDC did the right. If a monkey is dead, leave it for the vultures. You might salvage a few bones after the vultures are done. Its the essence of insolvency/ bankruptcy protection laws. GoK should follow suit and let KQ die. KLM was sensible not to pump more capital into a dead monkey.

1. What is a government guarantee?
2. KLM Heathrow additional slot is currently used by KQ as the 'inkind' KLM contributions.. With the JV still being active

But today we are here to mourn ARM. Let us give our last respects without drama


You are too emotionally in KQ to think straight but just understand that KQ is still in lots of debt and its assets can be siezed by debtors.
Life is short. Live passionately.
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