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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The developer shouldn't complain. How do you build on top of the river? The building on the right should also be removed. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Some opposing view seen elsewhere.... Political Commentator wrote:I do not support this demolition craze in Nairobi. What this city requires is a properly thought out drainage masterplan and properly DESIGNED and CONSTRUCTED drainage infrastructure. A modern city cannot be premised on some "rivers" flowing through their natural pathways.
As a city, we will always generate a disproportionate amount of runoff whenever it rains due to the buildings, pavements/roads, parking areas, etc. This runoff can only be safely guided out of the city (into dams or rivers) through designed channels and structures meant for that purpose...not some naturally occuring " rivers". The only river in Nairobi is Nairobi River (which the last time i checked was a pile of garbage!). We can keep and maintain Nairobi River for some aesthetic purpose but let's plan, design and construct proper drians in our city. Harpharzard demolitions of national infrastructure without a plan is a disservice to ourselves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:simonkabz wrote:Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal   we behave like we are the first people to face these types of situations  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Hardwood and Masukuma muache majokes tafadhali. The issue is not who can build a tall building on top of a river. In Dubai, they are reclaiming the ocean. The issue is not how some people are better equipped than others in engineering matters. The issue is that these cockroaches STOLE land. Come on. Building a 34 story building on a hill called Upper Hill is a bigger engineering challenge than building on top of a river. This is Solai Dam part 1.4. I personally worked against Solai. Even now I'm not liked by the residents. Why? I just plain told them that that dam would kill them one day. It killed them, but their kin were buried free by the muindi. So I'm still mjinga ule wa internet. These people stole land, they bribed county officials. They bribed Nema officials. They bribed Mpigs. They bribed mbroggers. So that they could develop on estates they were not supposed to. That is not engineering, that is plain being a cockroach. I dare you masukuma to go build in Venice where the public official documents have declared that you should not build. Utafukuzwa huko na your mathematics. Please do this in math terms Were they allowed legally to build where they built? - No Did they bribe their way into building? Yes My fren whichever country you have travelled to with Hardwood, those buildings come down. No one cares about your engineering prowess. Just because Cows are allowed in Dehli doesn't mean that we allow Masais in Nairofi. Apana chukua Uhuru ni nyef nyef tafadhali. Ati building on a river. Bullshit!!!! That's not the issue. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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masukuma wrote:washiku wrote:simonkabz wrote:Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal we behave like we are the first people to face these types of situations @Masukuma,Are you saying these buildings are built on a grabbed land? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:washiku wrote:simonkabz wrote:Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal we behave like we are the first people to face these types of situations @Masukuma,Are you saying these buildings are built on a grabbed land? Wachana na Masukuma. Since he got converted to vifaranga za kumputa he's gotten drunk. Ati engineering. I mean, there's a guy called Elon Musk who's just about to start selling land in the moon. Tecnology is not our problem. These people stole a school in langata and built a hotel. Matapaka, in the states, they do bring that shit down. When Uhuru does it, his own supporters now start crying engineering, jobs, money. Upus. Upus kabsa. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Uhuru Kenyatta I did not vote for you. In fact, I ran a campaign for you to lose to Dida. But sometimes, as Saitoti said, a man has to become a man. I was going to write your obituary in 2022. The president with no balls on Jameson. Continue na uendelee. Your problem is not the big 4 or 3 or 5. It's Kenyans who just gave up on Kenya. If corruption annoys you. Then just do it. Annoy the corrupters. I love this country again because of what you are saying you are doing. I will love you when you do what you are saying. I'm a viceroy guy. Take your Jameson and do the right thing. Get rid of this nonsense. No man should steal money and then pretend they were the children of "God". "Mimi nimeiba pesa huko, alafu naleta kwa kanisa. Kwa sababu, Yesu, ni mwokozi wangu". Even Satan is excited. I have a lot to say, but I'll say this. I don't BELIEVE you can do this. BUT. If you can do this for only 1 year. You shall be the best president that Kenya has ever seen. If it's another story, you shall still be the worst. After saying that, find a way into Weston. Because that is when Kenyans shall believe you. I mean children were teargassed for a "Singh". #kitawelekana brigade. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:washiku wrote:simonkabz wrote:Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal we behave like we are the first people to face these types of situations @Masukuma,Are you saying these buildings are built on a grabbed land? Of course all land is 'grabbed' (except in Dubai and the Netherlands)... hakuna mtu mwingine alijenga land yake. Grabbed is a term we use to describe a way someone got something... which is no different from how all groups of people got the land they are on. but that's another discussion! - my question is... HOW DO YOU PROFIT OUT OF ALL THIS? umebomoa and you are like  HALAFU? how does it profit you? you destroyed the capital that was used to put it up! (regardless of source). the place had employed a good number of people sasa wamerudi "job market"... HOW IS THIS HELPFUL? why not take it over? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Mavegges you are trying too hard to legitimize crime. Those rivers are man made (reclaimed like the port) for transportation and are not private. If you want such sponsor your MP to pass laws that provide for such environmental aesthetics and it shall be supported. Look again and see the rivers are not blocked. No one profits from damaged roads caused by floods. Add the inconvenience caused when the river floods. Only Nakumatt profits when they claim goods were destroyed in floods. They swindle insurance companies plus the tax payer. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
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Where is the green baby headed today?
I just like the coincidence that it's color captures our aspirations as "The Green City in the Sun".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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masukuma wrote:washiku wrote:simonkabz wrote:Nimesikia hako kamnyama ka green kameonekana kakishukishwa hapo area ya Oshwal we behave like we are the first people to face these types of situations Maveges, a little bit of history would help...at the dawn of industrial revolution 1700s-1800s, when there were no rails, europe had to come up with a cost effective means of transporting materials e.g. coal. Only way forward was to dig up canals. Hence, you find all major cities have artificial canals. These are not natural rivers. They were also very carefully designed and you will never hear of flooding in those cities. If it was today, they would never build them coz they dont need them as much. So do you want us to convert our city rivers into canals just becoz europe has them?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Coolbull wrote:Where is the green baby headed today? 
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Mavegges you are trying too hard to legitimize crime. Those rivers are man made (reclaimed like the port) for transportation and are not private. If you want such sponsor your MP to pass laws that provide for such environmental aesthetics and it shall be supported. Look again and see the rivers are not blocked.
No one profits from damaged roads caused by floods. Add the inconvenience caused when the river floods. Only Nakumatt profits when they claim goods were destroyed in floods. They swindle insurance companies plus the tax payer. "too hard to legitimize crime" - who is doing this... I am well aware of what people have defined as "crimes"... it's all man-made... the same people have defined "punishments" for these "crimes" and it's fine... what I am saying is that -WHY DON'T YOU PUNISH WITHOUT WASTE? that's my question. Kenya is a poor country! this step makes it poorer not richer. Perhaps it's a way that people are pulled down so that we are happy in all our misery but mark my words - this is a step backwards not because people were punished but because of WASTE! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:Mavegges you are trying too hard to legitimize crime. Those rivers are man made (reclaimed like the port) for transportation and are not private. If you want such sponsor your MP to pass laws that provide for such environmental aesthetics and it shall be supported. Look again and see the rivers are not blocked.
No one profits from damaged roads caused by floods. Add the inconvenience caused when the river floods. Only Nakumatt profits when they claim goods were destroyed in floods. They swindle insurance companies plus the tax payer. "too hard to legitimize crime" - who is doing this... I am well aware of what people have defined as "crimes"... it's all man-made... the same people have defined "punishments" for these "crimes" and it's fine... what I am saying is that -WHY DON'T YOU PUNISH WITHOUT WASTE? that's my question. Kenya is a poor country! this step makes it poorer not richer. Perhaps it's a way that people are pulled down so that we are happy in all our misery but mark my words - this is a step backwards not because people were punished but because of WASTE! What makes us poorer is impunity. People being let go after committing crimes without consequences. What benefits do we get if a road gets repaired every year because of floods? We have lost so much since 2004 when that one building was constructed. Why didn't he consider investing in another area? Have you thought about the cost of flooding? Beginning with the time wasted plus the cars/property we see floating and destroyed? This man has already recouped his investment since it was acquired shoddily in the first place. He needs to stop inviniencing every one else "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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 SANY at Oshwal. The owners have seen sense and have decide to do it themselves. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
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You are talking now my Dear President. Do not back down, do not stop, don't even slow down. Know that 99.9% of Kenyans are right behind you. Do not mind about losing a few so called friends. You are already making friends in droves. If the so called friends voted for you so you may protect them, call them at your Park (Uhuru Park) and show them the middle finger. It's about the country you swore to protect, it's about the good of everyone, it's about your legacy. Be very mean and selfish. If you need help to slay this dragon, there are many of us who are available for free because this dragon must never be allowed to rear it's head again! https://www.the-star.co....molitions-uhuru_c1801403
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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[quote=Njunge]You are talking now my Dear President. Do not back down, do not stop, don't even slow down. Know that 99.9% of Kenyans are right behind you. Do not mind about losing a few so called friends. You are already making friends in droves. If the so called friends voted for you so you may protect them, call them at your Park (Uhuru Park) and show them the middle finger. It's about the country you swore to protect, it's about the good of everyone, it's about your legacy. Be very mean and selfish. If you need help to slay this dragon, there are many of us who are available for free because this dragon must never be allowed to rear it's head again! https://www.the-star.co....olitions-uhuru_c1801403[/quote] Heeeehe! He has been keeping very bad company I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,921
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thuks wrote:[quote=Njunge]You are talking now my Dear President. Do not back down, do not stop, don't even slow down. Know that 99.9% of Kenyans are right behind you. Do not mind about losing a few so called friends. You are already making friends in droves. If the so called friends voted for you so you may protect them, call them at your Park (Uhuru Park) and show them the middle finger. It's about the country you swore to protect, it's about the good of everyone, it's about your legacy. Be very mean and selfish. If you need help to slay this dragon, there are many of us who are available for free because this dragon must never be allowed to rear it's head again! https://www.the-star.co....olitions-uhuru_c1801403[/quote] Heeeehe! He has been keeping very bad company The way he talked in Church today, he is serious. I hope he keeps the faith!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@masukuma, today, you are sounding so stupid. You're always a voice of sense, but what you are justifying regarding these illegal structures is below your intelligence. Yes, we all know they have titles and were approved. But these are fake titles and approvals which were acquired through bribery.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:@masukuma, today, you are sounding so stupid. You're always a voice of sense, but what you are justifying regarding these illegal structures is below your intelligence. Yes, we all know they have titles and were approved. But these are fake titles and approvals which were acquired through bribery. May be he is on the receiving end in this one?. Sense and intelligence are thrown out when you are on the other side. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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