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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,579
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AlphDoti wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:understood @alphdoti.
Last thing...
A 360 view is only possible from outside the thing you are viewing. You cannot afford to rely on others to give you input and out output for the black-box which you are viewing from outside! You should ask yourself, for example the experience yo had, it was you who really experiencing it... You analyzed what you were going through the inside working of it, the input, the output etc. Now similarly, 360 view of all means what you really know about them. Not what you have heard, not what you have read in the newspapers, not what you have seen on television, not what your teacher or professor says, not what your neighbours or friends say or what the priest or minister of your church say... But what you have come to understand from basic facts, historical, scriptural facts about system of life, which you are viewing. Not even what you have witnessed through behavior of some who claim to follow it, because I don't think I have to tell in objective person, for example that a Christian is not necessarily an example of life of Christ... To go 360 view, "3D", isometric, vs orthographic projections e.t.c or embrace 4D views.  am really scratching my head  Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,721
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radio wrote:@ngogoyo, how long have you had this struggle? Do you think it is a phase of life you can overcome over time?
Anyone who has been down this road of unbelief and changed later? Mother Teresa struggled with it for most of her life. And in fact, that appears to be the case. A new, innocuously titled book, Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light (Doubleday), consisting primarily of correspondence between Teresa and her confessors and superiors over a period of 66 years, provides the spiritual counterpoint to a life known mostly through its works. The letters, many of them preserved against her wishes (she had requested that they be destroyed but was overruled by her church), reveal that for the last nearly half-century of her life she felt no presence of God whatsoever--or, as the book's compiler and editor, the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk, writes, "neither in her heart or in the eucharist."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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...like having a good car and not enjoying it, because you haven't realized its (full) potential. Most people here (investors) are risk takers. Want to know, want to experience.... My suggestion, why not delve fully in? Do it for fun.. What's the harm? The Bible says 'Seek the face of The Lord and .....'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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FRM2011 wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:
@Alphdoti
Belief systems have the same inherent character.
Duality.
We are right and they are wrong.
I'm not interested in going from one to another.
There exists information/knowledge out there about what/who we are and what this reality is about beyond the drama of duality.
Iam integrating this information on my own terms at my own pace and making my own conclusions based on my own experiences.
This path resonates with me.
@mtubiz, yours has been quite a journey bro. And I can tell you are really searching for answers. That stuff is too deep for some of us. @ngogoyo and the rest of us are cowards who blend in with the crowds while battling with unanswered questions on the inside. Don't rock the boat philosophy. Luckily for us, the so-called Christian believers are so fake to discover our act. Maybe it sounds sharp and with it to attack Christians, but even the Bible is clear; only God can truly know the heart of Man! It has nothing to do with authenticity! When Samuel went to Jesse's house to anoint the new king: Quote:But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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FRM2011 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Ngogoyo wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:My my..
We are a big grouping. I also suffer the same dilemma. Initially I used to get into arguments Humbuglar style and strongly denounce religion for all the hypocrisy it stands for. But after getting kids and a family, I have mellowed down and accepted its place in society.
I don't go to church but my wife takes the kids to church although she may skip one or two sometimes. The kids get a lot of religious education and dogma in school so to avoid confusing them, its best you take them to church because society demands it.
dont you feel a sense of 'losing out' when you don't accompany your children to church or pray with them?
I would recommend you read about other religions. - Islam is easy to get, its simply Christianity which has been radicalized (or stuck in the middle ages) and turned into a political system
- Hinduism is very interesting and in my opinion has done the most to explain origin, spirits, afterlife and the existence of a higher power.
- Budhism is all about self (have to confess I have not given it enough time)
Reading this convinced me that religion exists to explain death and afterlife. I am very sure people are suspicious of each other. . Its comforting and at the same time worrtying that i am not alone in this. I will study Hinduism (of course for sport), Islam no. My wife would bring the whole church for prayers if she was to see the Koran in our house.
I fully agree with your sentiments. That is very true...... you can study any other religion for whatever reason but not Islam ~ Radicalization tingz. I would even report you to the local chief, OCS, Family wote and your employer. Also hold a night of vigil and prayer for you. Of course conjugal rights will go until you recover your senses, siwezi na Muslim  Told you they are dangerous, these followers of Christ. We do not kill you when you convert to other religions; feel free to do so
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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AlphDoti wrote:@Mtu Biz that is an interesting story. I noted something though: you're still guilty of being one sided (ok let's call it two sided) i.e. your old folks church thing as evidenced by your kids going to church, and the nature part. If you want to be honest and whole-round, examine other religious books too. There are two major religions currently: Christianity and Islam. You need to read the Quran without prejudice, then that way you'll have three sides of the story.
Forget prejudices and do thorough research... Look, if one is looking for a path, they shouldn't go with the one that majority are in but what is right. Stop trying to confuse people with the fallacy of the false dichotomy! It is not an issue of Christianity and Islam only.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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hamburglar wrote:You are dangerously close to liberation the moment you start questioning religion and gods.
I have never had any doubts about my atheism. Not even for one minute.
You guys all have doubts about religion and that right there speaks volumes. Something is definitely amiss somewhere.
I honestly feel sorry for religious people, they are depriving themselves of a lot of happiness with all that nonsense.
I have never been so sure of anything in my life like how sure I am about atheism. I am more sure of this than I am of tycho being clinically insane. And we all know that Tycho is a certified nutjob. Hi burglar Does the supernatural exist? Or is everything explained by science?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Disentangling From exotic religions and chains of worshipping other people gods was one of the best decisions so far. work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Tokyo wrote: Disentangling From exotic religions and chains of worshipping other people gods was one of the best decisions so far. So you worship who now?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Lolest! wrote:Tokyo wrote: Disentangling From exotic religions and chains of worshipping other people gods was one of the best decisions so far. So you worship who now? A proud ATHEIST work to prosper
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