Anti_Burglar wrote:
Masukuma, you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. It is not right of you to fight belief because a witchdoctor or a 'pastor' somewhere gives people false hope. For example, don't you wish your children (sorry to mention them) resist ill peer influence e.g. underage drinking and casual unprotected sex because the realities of such drinking and such sex are a complete affront to what you have allowed and encouraged them to believe. You may say that you encourage everyone to think what they deem necessary to get through the day but you are not a laissez faire parent, are you?
Not everything one holds is to be given up to make someone else feel better. Interconnectedness, travel is not necessarily a good thing as you want to portray and should be resisted as I portray when beliefs request so.
I neither said belief is useless (read everything I have said before).... it's very important to believe something... this is a brutal world!! you need to make sense of it and belief systems have created a way to smooth off the edges of the reality that this is a chaotic place. If your were related to this kid and saw this photo..

you need to believe that he/she went to a better place after being feasted on by the vulture - right? On how I want my kids to grow up? I want them to grow up knowing that they determine their future (not entirely true but its a good mindset to have). I also want them to understand they are a valued member of society and my job as a parent is to shephard them towards that. My agenda is not to make a bunch of nicely indoctrinated individuals.... (Which I see all the programs in place now doing). I want people who question the environment and authority.
when you see the photo above or you read the atrocities of Hitler - you need to feel justified that there is a judge somewhere who will not make him get away with it... Right... that makes us move forward as a society.
If someone asked why atheists think Hitler got away with it - some of their reasoning is... Hitler got away with it! That is why we need to make sure that doesn't happen again. Those people dying of hunger and malaria... don't have anything better waiting for them - that is why we need to stop people dying of hunger and malaria. Or the people who have been jailed wrongfully... Knowing that there is no one listening to their prayers and no one looking out for them makes you want to act to ensure that they don't suffer.... or really poor people... instead of them waiting for the day they will get a mansion or the "
gatta shoes like all of God's children" - why not make them get these things here?
Which is productive!! I agree with that... instead of waiting for some latter justice... why not prevent it in the 1st place? everyone is happy - right? i.e. ACTION NOW!! ACTION BY YOU!! which should really be the end product of a productive belief system. The Europeans explored the world bolstered by the christian doctrine that human beings are to have dominion over all the beasts of the earth and birds of the sea... MORE POWER TO THAT BELIEF SET. They left their comfort zones.
on belief systems... don't do it for others - that is stupid! do it for your own sake! if you see evidence that makes you doubt... makes you yourself doubt your beliefs it does not mean that everything in your belief system is useless if you accept this one aspect is false? for example there is a group of people who still read some bible verses and say the planet is flat.... despite all evidence to the contrary they say it's flat... they know it's not flat but believe it is flat. Or those people who refuse to immunize their kids coz it's sinful (wazees should wekelea mtu mikono and paka them mafuta and pray). I remember an interview with one of the parents of these people who confessed... they know the kid will die! (based on evidence of others before) but still push the belief. I think that is self deception! What happens when these people go to israel and see
ciana cia israel (the children of israel) immunising their kids? Would their belief system be shaken? just a bit?
Kwa ufupi... hold on to a belief IF IT BENEFITS YOU and you KNOW IT TO BE TRUE! I stopped believing what I believed in when I realised I was being dishonest to myself coz I knew better! But I don't have it all figured out going forward.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!