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Uchumi FY15 Loss of Ksh. 3.42 Bn
sparkly
#101 Posted : Friday, May 13, 2016 9:04:01 AM
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HaMaina wrote:
instinct wrote:
this is an uchumi thread....hallo....


Very True. In my view Uchumi will not fall,especially now that Dr Kipngetich is at the top. One thing that I know for sure is that he is one very thorough and no-nonsence (tribal,corruption,etc,etc) person. At least when he was a lecturer. I wish him all the best.


These were my sentiments in 2004 when Uchumi financial problems started. I convinced myself that Uchumi was too big to fail because of the GOK support. Then came the suspension, bailouts etc. I didn't lose all my capital but i regret the opportunity cost leading up to the relisting. 2004-2008 was of course the greatest bull period in Kenya history.
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#102 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 4:40:09 AM
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According to this article, http://www.businessdaily.../-/lxd9az/-/index.html, a new investor had expressed interest to buy a controlling stake in Uchumi. Should that happen, I will be the first to buy into the company because my opinion is that the main cause of failure for Uchumi is its government ownership.
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#103 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:23:27 AM
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Apologies if this has been previously discussed in the thread but how many times have Uchumi shareholders been issued with stocks in exchange for debt? Why does this program not achieve it's intended aim of resetting the company's financials?
maka
#104 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:59:44 AM
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Just came across the AGREEMENT FOR RESTRUCTURING OF DEBT AND THE SUPPLY OF GOODS...how can i upload it for further discussion?
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Jon Jones
#105 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:13:29 AM
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mibbz wrote:
Apologies if this has been previously discussed in the thread but how many times have Uchumi shareholders been issued with stocks in exchange for debt? Why does this program not achieve it's intended aim of resetting the company's financials?

Because the government never ceases to have a controlling stake...the solution to all of Uchumis problems lies with the government ownership. If the government ends up controlling less than 40% or 30%, then the company will become the next wallmart
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#106 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:19:44 AM
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Jon Jones wrote:
mibbz wrote:
Apologies if this has been previously discussed in the thread but how many times have Uchumi shareholders been issued with stocks in exchange for debt? Why does this program not achieve it's intended aim of resetting the company's financials?

Because the government never ceases to have a controlling stake...the solution to all of Uchumis problems lies with the government ownership. If the government ends up controlling less than 40% or 30%, then the company will become the next wallmart

unless a government wants to run a supermarket to cushion its citizens from high commodity prices by subsidizing i don't understand why a whole govt would want to be involved in this kind of business
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#107 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:50:56 AM
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In addition our weak litigation process when it comes to the BIG FISH- Mbuta. Uchumi problems lies with financial impropriety and those involved cannot be brought forth to account.The Govt stands to be blamed when its organs cannot effect Justice to the innocent Wanjiku. We see several forensic reports and dossiers revealed be it KQ,MSC & Uchumi but action ZERO.
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#108 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:18:45 AM
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Jon Jones wrote:
According to this article, http://www.businessdaily.../-/lxd9az/-/index.html, a new investor had expressed interest to buy a controlling stake in Uchumi. Should that happen, I will be the first to buy into the company because my opinion is that the main cause of failure for Uchumi is its government ownership.



It is so easy to blame the government for the current situation but to be fair you need to substantiate how government is to blame and yet government is just a minority shareholder.
Are you trying to say government sent Ciano and the rest of the employees on a looting spree?
If anything the reason why Uchumi stands a chance to recover is because of the minute government shareholding.If it were not for that no bank would be lending money and suppliers would not be very accommodating at this time.Therefore uchumi shareholders should be thanking their lucky stars that there in the hole together with government.
Otherwise they would be in receivership.
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#109 Posted : Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:22:00 PM
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maka wrote:
Just came across the AGREEMENT FOR RESTRUCTURING OF DEBT AND THE SUPPLY OF GOODS...how can i upload it for further discussion?


Try scribd.com or dochub.com use google docs or dropbox
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#110 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 4:04:27 PM
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So all the pictures on social media were true? CEO confirms that revenues had collapsed to 200m a month. They were making over 1bn a month before!!!

This financial year's losses will be massive!

Uchumi Supermarkets is targeting a 40 per cent growth in sales by next month, as suppliers make a comeback from today in a deal reached on Friday.

"Chief executive Julius Kipng’etich said yesterday suppliers have started filling shelves at the retailer which has been operating on near-empty shelves, giving hope for recovery of the troubled retailer. “If they all come back, we expect by end of June sales will have grown to Sh300 million,” Kipng’etich told the Star on telephone. "

http://www.the-star.co.k...r-supplier-deal_c1355444
enyands
#111 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 4:43:06 PM
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Plimsoul wrote:
So all the pictures on social media were true? CEO confirms that revenues had collapsed to 200m a month. They were making over 1bn a month before!!!

This financial year's losses will be massive!

Uchumi Supermarkets is targeting a 40 per cent growth in sales by next month, as suppliers make a comeback from today in a deal reached on Friday.

"Chief executive Julius Kipng’etich said yesterday suppliers have started filling shelves at the retailer which has been operating on near-empty shelves, giving hope for recovery of the troubled retailer. “If they all come back, we expect by end of June sales will have grown to Sh300 million,” Kipng’etich told the Star on telephone. "

http://www.the-star.co.k...-supplier-deal_c1355444



Should Kipng'etich pull through and make uchumi back on it's feet then he will be the most respectable person in business in kenya .will be branded same group with karume. Should he fail then he will be a fallen hero or a bird with no wings to fly. I still have faith in him
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#112 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 5:41:47 PM
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Kipngetich should have stayed at Ekwetee.
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enyands
#113 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 5:46:31 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Kipngetich should have stayed at Ekwetee.


Thought so .feels he was set up for failure by someone .
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#114 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 6:13:10 PM
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enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kipngetich should have stayed at Ekwetee.


Thought so .feels he was set up for failure by someone .

He was blind sided!!! He is on record as saying that "they" didn't the situation was that worse!! He said an audit they conducted showed that the company was in a far worse situation than they earlier thought.

Hapa ni ulcers tupu. I am sure there are mornings he wakes up and wishes he was heading to Equity as opposed to Uchumi.

Working for a company in distress is no joke. Especially if you are in Management! People are looking at you to dream miracle solutions that don't exist!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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#115 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 6:13:44 PM
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[quote=Plimsoul]So all the pictures on social media were true? CEO confirms that revenues had collapsed to 200m a month. They were making over 1bn a month before!!!

This financial year's losses will be massive!

Uchumi Supermarkets is targeting a 40 per cent growth in sales by next month, as suppliers make a comeback from today in a deal reached on Friday.

"Chief executive Julius Kipng’etich said yesterday suppliers have started filling shelves at the retailer which has been operating on near-empty shelves, giving hope for recovery of the troubled retailer. “If they all come back, we expect by end of June sales will have grown to Sh300 million,” Kipng’etich told the Star on telephone. "

http://www.the-star.co.k...-supplier-deal_c1355444[/quote]
Now imagine the goodwill lost....some of their biggest stores are usually deserted on a weekend. Suppliers problem really hurt them. They lacked sooo many basic things and had sooooo much popcorn
Plimsoul
#116 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 7:09:01 PM
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enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kipngetich should have stayed at Ekwetee.


Thought so .feels he was set up for failure by someone .


With all the equity already wiped out, another 4-5 billion loss, which seems to be how it did this year, means uchumi's already dead. He failed. It was terrible before, but he clearly mishandled suppliers.

I don't think he's getting hired by anyone in the private sector. Maybe run for a seat 2017 elections.
MaichBlack
#117 Posted : Monday, May 23, 2016 8:00:08 PM
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Plimsoul wrote:
enyands wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kipngetich should have stayed at Ekwetee.


Thought so .feels he was set up for failure by someone .


With all the equity already wiped out, another 4-5 billion loss, which seems to be how it did this year, means uchumi's already dead. He failed. It was terrible before, but he clearly mishandled suppliers.

I don't think he's getting hired by anyone in the private sector. Maybe run for a seat 2017 elections.

He will be hired. He has a good track record. A smart person - and there are many out there - will definitely see his qualities. But unfortunately he might either have to wait, or will not be able to cherry pick where to work, or both!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
maka
#118 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:26:05 AM
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snipermnoma wrote:
maka wrote:
Just came across the AGREEMENT FOR RESTRUCTURING OF DEBT AND THE SUPPLY OF GOODS...how can i upload it for further discussion?


Try scribd.com or dochub.com use google docs or dropbox


There hope it opens properly...


https://www.scribd.com/d...3602363/Uchumi-Agreement
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snipermnoma
#119 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 10:53:34 AM
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maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
[quote=maka]Just came across the AGREEMENT FOR RESTRUCTURING OF DEBT AND THE SUPPLY OF GOODS...how can i upload it for further discussion?


Try scribd.com or dochub.com use google docs or dropbox


There hope it opens properly...


https://www.scribd.com/d...602363/Uchumi-Agreement[/quote]

The way the agreement is structured, it guarantees that suppliers will get paid the old debt. So at least for them, there will be no bad debts to write off. This also means you are a preferred supplier going forward so harder for your competition to get in. Uchumi gets to remain open...not sure what else they get from this.

So it seems the suppliers fare off better than uchumi
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#120 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 11:15:35 AM
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If the government is giving Uchumi a loan to pay the suppliers I don't the issue of a strategic investor materialising.
Gava still wants to maintain a hold onto the company aka Mumias style
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