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The KenolKobil 2015 pendulum
mlennyma
#101 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 3:55:18 PM
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obiero wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Magnate wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
winmak wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
Mafuta, Mafuta, mafuta. don't worry I just was enjoying my small interim dividend 10 cents blessing it as i pray i get a final of 40cents next year making it 50cts total to the poorest.



Any reason to explain the tumble? Or is it just part of the bear effect?

the last news i heard was positive but the bear might have spotted a forgotten soft target Sad


Foreign exits have been high this week,as at now 73% of volume traded today are estimates of foreigners exiting...for me am accumulating @ 8 and below.


Me I will be hungry at below 5 bob.

5 bob seems reasonable

dreaming is free
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Pesa Nane
#102 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2015 8:58:51 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Kabisa!
In 2011-12 I was all gung-ho about KK. Segman whispered sweet nothings to us. He even shouted on top the rooftops. Press releases every month. I bought into it. Puma showed up and we (VVS included) went crazy. @VVS was in love.

Then came out the truth. Segman had entered into forwards at 100+ and the KES went from 82 to 107 to 84. And those forwards had to be paid.
When oil prices were rising, Segman bought hedges on oil too! Oil prices rose to $140 then fell to $90-ish. KK was effectively buying oil at $110+ when spot prices were much lower. A loss of 6bn. Almost wiped out the Revenue Reserves. Segman had jilted @VVS.

Exit Segman. Enter Ohana.

1. Ohana started selling properties (nice capital gains when revalued) among other assets.

2. Employees (excess, thieves, lazy) were fired.

3. Capex (stations looked old, etc) was reduced to save cash.

4. Inventories (no more speculation) were trimmed down. OTS participation was reduced. No more fighting for unprofitable market share.

5. Credit terms to customers and dealers were reduced. Dealers that didn't pay were cut off leading to dry-outs. Some dealers were kicked out. Some customers were cut off. Market share dropped. Debt was reduced.

6. Dividends were eliminated.

Ohana stabilized KK through the above actions. Tough renegotiations to restructure loans with the banks.

7. The hedges were 'burnt off' [expired & paid off] and a board decision was made NOT to enter into new hedges.

8. KK borrowed KES to pay down USD debt not related to working capital. All subsidiaries were told that HQ will not bail them out. Subsidiaries were told to borrow locally and pay off USD debt. Some were told to pay back HQ.

KES debt was reduced in line with the reduction in inventories. Lucky for Ohana, lower oil prices ($40-60) meant USD 1mn could buy 2x the petrol vs 2011-12.

2014: The turnaround was happening. A profit was declared. A small token dividend was paid.

2015: Debt is significantly lower. 1H 2015 results were very good. And 2H is expected to be better. Subsidiaries have started Capex spend. Rwanda has added stations. KK is planning to build an office complex in 2016-18 which will provide rental income. Castrol-BP agreement means KK will expand its production and distribution of Castrol products.

Outstanding Issues: GoK has acknowledged but not settled the Yield Shift losses on behalf on KPRL. It's about if not when. That's cash waiting to be collected. Not in 2015 but in future years.
KPC has been told they owe money to KK. Not a question of if but how much. One day the court cases will come to a logical conclusion. That's extra cash whenever it comes.

And KK has turned from a brash teenager to a more mature firm. Shareholders (@VVS et al) will be more careful this time around. We will question management more aggressively.

2011: KK 16/- KQ: 38/- [I think]
2012: KK 15/- KQ 14/- [Rights]
2015: KK 8.50 KQ: 4/-


KK's NAV is around 7 today without accounting for revaluation gains + KPRL + KPC.
KQ's NAV is negative 22-ish. I doubt there's anything left to revalue!

Should I have sold KK at 16 in 2012? YES. d'oh!
Did I sell KK at 16 in 2012? NO. d'oh!
Did I buy KK at 10? YES Sad
did I buy Kk at 9? YES Sad
Did I buy Kk at 8? YES Applause
Did I buy KK at 7+? YES Applause

Did I sell KQ at 14-ish in 2012? YES. Applause Applause Applause [Proceeds went into KenRe & KK]

Looking Forward:
I see KK adding KES 1-2 in PAT EPS annually. That's 12% per year. IFBs offer 13%.
I do not really care about KQ but for my taxes being used to bail it out. It needs to make (or raise) 33bn to get it to positive NAV. Dream on.


I am sold! Heading to the brokers for a 7.xy order
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Aguytrying
#103 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 9:39:16 AM
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@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mlennyma
#104 Posted : Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:38:15 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#105 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:41:08 AM
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As oil prices remain low [$40s] the price of gasoline will remain low [in USD] and that helps KK buy/store the same volumes with lower amounts of working capital.

Less WC = Fewer loans = lower interest payments = higher profits = higher dividends

Hopefully, a glut of oil will drop prices below $40. This means it's cheaper for Kenyans to drive and KK can sell more fuel.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#106 Posted : Sunday, November 22, 2015 11:08:41 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

Ati what?
Life is short. Live passionately.
Realtreaty
#107 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 3:33:59 PM
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sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

Ati what?

Market will start its re-correction now and most of those people with hrd cash are running for a kill. They will laugh all the way to the bank in Feb-May 2016. There is competition to place orders (Ok try at lowest but watch time ya off peak isiishe). Atimes stock is pulled down by a fabricated negative perception for kingmakers to come in and buy just before a planned project or earning is made public. That is the main reason oil companies buy blocks to suspect for oils. I wnt my Xmas in February.
enyands
#108 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 5:02:35 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

Ati what?

Market will start its re-correction now and most of those people with hrd cash are running for a kill. They will laugh all the way to the bank in Feb-May 2016. There is competition to place orders (Ok try at lowest but watch time ya off peak isiishe). Atimes stock is pulled down by a fabricated negative perception for kingmakers to come in and buy just before a planned project or earning is made public. That is the main reason oil companies buy blocks to suspect for oils. I wnt my Xmas in February.


U remind me someone who had shares in KQ and always campaigned hard for it despite loss making. He sold them off and still he talks praise of it . Anyway should trust you're guts. was waiting for this share to hit 10 but I think joining now is inevitable. Thanks though
mlennyma
#109 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 5:32:42 PM
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We are at a critical resistance level a breakdown is fatal but so far no blinking below 8,may be the Bird will fly from 8bob when sparing your 10cts to buy at 7.90
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
obiero
#110 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 5:51:28 PM
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enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

Ati what?

Market will start its re-correction now and most of those people with hrd cash are running for a kill. They will laugh all the way to the bank in Feb-May 2016. There is competition to place orders (Ok try at lowest but watch time ya off peak isiishe). Atimes stock is pulled down by a fabricated negative perception for kingmakers to come in and buy just before a planned project or earning is made public. That is the main reason oil companies buy blocks to suspect for oils. I wnt my Xmas in February.


U remind me someone who had shares in KQ and always campaigned hard for it despite loss making. He sold them off and still he talks praise of it . Anyway should trust you're guts. was waiting for this share to hit 10 but I think joining now is inevitable. Thanks though

Mafumbo nayo.. :) KQ dint loose that guy's money, its him who chose to leave early. It is inevitable that KQ share price shall rise to more than KES 25 upon return to profitability

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Aguytrying
#111 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 9:04:22 PM
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@enyands. From 8 to 10 is a 20% gain minus commissions. If u were going to join the party 🎉 eventually, wouldn't be better to join now if you're sure 10 will print one day.

In the next bull cycle my target for this share is a conservative 20.00. May sound optimistic but to me it's just a matter of time I won't pretend to be shocked when it happens
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
enyands
#112 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 11:21:50 PM
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obiero wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

Ati what?

Market will start its re-correction now and most of those people with hrd cash are running for a kill. They will laugh all the way to the bank in Feb-May 2016. There is competition to place orders (Ok try at lowest but watch time ya off peak isiishe). Atimes stock is pulled down by a fabricated negative perception for kingmakers to come in and buy just before a planned project or earning is made public. That is the main reason oil companies buy blocks to suspect for oils. I wnt my Xmas in February.


U remind me someone who had shares in KQ and always campaigned hard for it despite loss making. He sold them off and still he talks praise of it . Anyway should trust you're guts. was waiting for this share to hit 10 but I think joining now is inevitable. Thanks though

Mafumbo nayo.. :) KQ dint loose that guy's money, its him who chose to leave early. It is inevitable that KQ share price shall rise to more than KES 25 upon return to profitability



@obiero how did you know I was talking of you kwa mafumbo Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .maybe I was referring to @spikes
enyands
#113 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2015 11:25:04 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
@enyands. From 8 to 10 is a 20% gain minus commissions. If u were going to join the party 🎉 eventually, wouldn't be better to join now if you're sure 10 will print one day.

In the next bull cycle my target for this share is a conservative 20.00. May sound optimistic but to me it's just a matter of time I won't pretend to be shocked when it happens


no offence but this kk is one "still birth stock" it never rallies and the last time it did was I cant remember, despite all that im interested.i hope we will both not pretend to be shocked when it happens.smile
sparkly
#114 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 7:22:13 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
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enyands wrote:
obiero wrote:
enyands wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

Ati what?

Market will start its re-correction now and most of those people with hrd cash are running for a kill. They will laugh all the way to the bank in Feb-May 2016. There is competition to place orders (Ok try at lowest but watch time ya off peak isiishe). Atimes stock is pulled down by a fabricated negative perception for kingmakers to come in and buy just before a planned project or earning is made public. That is the main reason oil companies buy blocks to suspect for oils. I wnt my Xmas in February.


U remind me someone who had shares in KQ and always campaigned hard for it despite loss making. He sold them off and still he talks praise of it . Anyway should trust you're guts. was waiting for this share to hit 10 but I think joining now is inevitable. Thanks though

Mafumbo nayo.. :) KQ dint loose that guy's money, its him who chose to leave early. It is inevitable that KQ share price shall rise to more than KES 25 upon return to profitability



@obiero how did you know I was talking of you kwa mafumbo Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly .maybe I was referring to @spikes

Laughing out loudly That guy who divorced his wife, called her ugly and fat, but keeps on stalking her, sending flowers and begging for one last romp
Life is short. Live passionately.
mlennyma
#115 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:34:30 AM
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The camels back is breaking
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Pesa Nane
#116 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:10:53 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@8c welcome to the club. I got some units at 8.00 yesterday and the day before. As the rebound rallies occur, KK come into buying territory.
I think this is the easiest money make in the NSE at the moment. No brainer

i also got some more yesterday at 8 and will do so downwards, let what ate the donkey eat the jerrycans as well

mlennyma wrote:
We are at a critical resistance level a breakdown is fatal but so far no blinking below 8,may be the Bird will fly from 8bob when sparing your 10cts to buy at 7.90


Batch 1 @ Ksh. 7.90: Check!
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
newbie15
#117 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:38:55 PM
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patiently waiting for it at 7.80
Aguytrying
#118 Posted : Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:15:10 PM
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Nice. This is free money. Below 8.00 is a giveaway
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Magnate
#119 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:04:25 AM
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Instrestingly 1.1m shares moved before halfday @ 8.0,foreign exit at 99%
No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
Aguytrying
#120 Posted : Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:17:58 AM
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Magnate wrote:
Instrestingly 1.1m shares moved before halfday @ 8.0,foreign exit at 99%


Don't worry about foreigners we know about kk.

@newbie. When it reaches 7.80 you wait for 7.70!
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