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masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:
If you feel no compelling burden of proof to talk about your ground are you honest to talk about another's ground?
Everyone faces themselves in the morning after a great loss and asks themselves questions. I am not immune to that, I feel no burden of proof to defend my worldview.... it's not defendable - I don't have it all figured out. However I have some pieces figured out (Refer to the Known Knowns, Know Unknowns and Unknown Knowns thread for more on this). If something is in the Known Knowns section of the body of knowledge - we can to a fair degree dispute any conflicting body of knowledge that comes without evidence. But hey... I don't have all the answers... Living my life one day at a time and taking a front row seat to see how this declaration by the pope affects the body of Christ. Hhhhmmmm ,,, Alright, Masukuma. Lets shake hands and end it here. (but you and I could work on a delineation of your worldview, I'm left speculating on what could be the object of your 'defence' in the light of the best-defence-is-attack cliche - you have really critiqued Genesis ,,,,,). Laugh Laugh Laugh
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tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:I can conclude that the expansion or acquisition of knowledge by human beings has worked against the human beings in understanding the genesis of humanity and the universe in general.From my Ignorant (finance  ) point of view,acquisition of knowledge should lead to less uncertainties(unknowns) and not the other way round;Currently there are more uncertainties with regards to the genesis of the universe and the after death than it was a few years back. You're mistaken @swenani. The aim of knowledge isn't to reduce uncertainty. And humans aren't less certain than in the past. Knowledge must be uncertain given the nature of acquisition and growth. It's like a sea, and we're always in the middle of it. The shore isn't as important now than the present experience. One needs the peace of the moment, and only knowledge can supply that.And again, knowledge isn't what your religious leader says, or what your professor taught you, knowledge is what you see as true, as good, and moral. The task of knowledge is the task of experience, of being. Are you less certain than in the past? Then you haven't been working your experience. @Tycho,if you are in the middle of the sea you are at peace because maybe you are not aware of the existence of the shore(lack of knowledge) but once you become aware that there is exists(knowledge acquisition) a shore line;You can never be at peace. Knowledge cannot provide peace,only ignorance can and yes I'm less certain than in the past. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:I can conclude that the expansion or acquisition of knowledge by human beings has worked against the human beings in understanding the genesis of humanity and the universe in general.From my Ignorant (finance ) point of view,acquisition of knowledge should lead to less uncertainties(unknowns) and not the other way round;Currently there are more uncertainties with regards to the genesis of the universe and the after death than it was a few years back. You're mistaken @swenani. The aim of knowledge isn't to reduce uncertainty. And humans aren't less certain than in the past. Knowledge must be uncertain given the nature of acquisition and growth. It's like a sea, and we're always in the middle of it. The shore isn't as important now than the present experience. One needs the peace of the moment, and only knowledge can supply that.And again, knowledge isn't what your religious leader says, or what your professor taught you, knowledge is what you see as true, as good, and moral. The task of knowledge is the task of experience, of being. Are you less certain than in the past? Then you haven't been working your experience. @Tycho,if you are in the middle of the sea you are at peace because maybe you are not aware of the existence of the shore(lack of knowledge) but once you become aware that there is exists(knowledge acquisition) a shore line;You can never be at peace. Knowledge cannot provide peace,only ignorance can and yes I'm less certain than in the past. At this point the challenge is to give evidence. I give mine to show you're mistaken and you show otherwise. Then again I have given a precise definition of knowledge as experience that is clear sighted, and good and moral. These are what peace and happiness are about. Are those who throng the churches for miracles people of knowledge? Are they happy? Show me a person who's suffering and I'll show you an ignorant person.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! This maybe a misquote. If it's a reference to what the poet said, then here's what he said; 'If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! This maybe a misquote. If it's a reference to what the poet said, then here's what he said; 'If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise'. it's not a misquote... i just created it.... feel free to quote and distribute but ensure that you cite source Quote:
ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! - masukuma
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! This maybe a misquote. If it's a reference to what the poet said, then here's what he said; 'If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise'. it's not a misquote... i just created it.... feel free to quote and distribute but ensure that you cite source Quote:
ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! - masukuma
Out of ignorance or out of knowledge? Or is it just a fear of questions?
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! This maybe a misquote. If it's a reference to what the poet said, then here's what he said; 'If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise'. @Tycho I think you are contradicting yourself, If knowledge which should supply peace is uncertain, I fail to see how you can be peaceful in uncertain situation; If you are implying that we gain knowledge through experience which is clear (certain),I think we can only be at peace during the process of knowledge acquisition adn not after we have gain it. For the guys who go to church for miracles, please refer to quote below Quote:If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise Knowledge to me is getting to know that which was unknown to you through experience (being taught by your professor or sheikh is included here) and it isn’t necessarily true, good and moral.That’s why in my thinking, I conclude that acquisition of knowledge by humanity has caused more confusion and uncertainity in understanding the genesis of universe. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! This maybe a misquote. If it's a reference to what the poet said, then here's what he said; 'If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise'. it's not a misquote... i just created it.... feel free to quote and distribute but ensure that you cite source Quote:
ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! - masukuma
Out of ignorance or out of knowledge? Or is it just a fear of questions? quote as you see fit.... just remember to cite the source! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:indeed... ignorance is bliss and answering one question opens room for 10 others! Things are not simple Oh! This maybe a misquote. If it's a reference to what the poet said, then here's what he said; 'If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise'. @Tycho I think you are contradicting yourself, If knowledge which should supply peace is uncertain, I fail to see how you can be peaceful in uncertain situation; If you are implying that we gain knowledge through experience which is clear (certain),I think we can only be at peace during the process of knowledge acquisition adn not after we have gain it. For the guys who go to church for miracles, please refer to quote below Quote:If ignorance is bliss, then tis folly to be wise Knowledge to me is getting to know that which was unknown to you through experience (being taught by your professor or sheikh is included here) and it isn’t necessarily true, good and moral.That’s why in my thinking, I conclude that acquisition of knowledge by humanity has caused more confusion and uncertainity in understanding the genesis of universe. @swenani, your task was simple; to show knowledge as suffering. You haven't shown that. There's a difference between learning and knowledge. Getting to know the unknown is learning. Or may in some cases be knowing. To define knowledge you need to avoid using words like 'know' or 'unknown'. As for 'uncertainty' and morality I will give you a gem that has guided me through the years. There inside, you shall meet this expression 'trust not in your understanding, and in everything trust in God, and he'll make your path clear'. https://www.biblegateway...1-9%3A12&version=NIV
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