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tycho wrote:Wendz wrote:From what i am reading, it seems kenya can not be helped and there is no solution to what we are in.... we should therefore just sit and flow with nature to whatever pit it sends us. There is completely no hope of improving this Kenya. Totally doomed to its final death. And that's middle class talking by the way... and when the middle class talks, Kenya better listen....
I agree. Nothing can be done. totally. We should avoid such defeatist attitudes. Besides, how can what you read here warrant such a conclusion? Wazua is just a speck in the sea of knowledge. This first time, you did not get it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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tycho wrote:YoungMulla wrote:We can agree the issue we're discussing is complicated, multifaceted and dependent on many factors, all which cannot be aligned simultaneously. Then again nobody said it will be easy.
What I think we need to figure out,therefore, is a starting point, a catalyst that will set the ball rolling. Ideas anyone???
Starting point is knowing who 'you' or 'we' are in relation to an identifiable system who other important players are, how the system plays out, investigate on the problems noted and design a solution set then choose what's optimal. Is it possible to give a clear example with say, agriculture. practical, simple example.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wendz wrote:tycho wrote:Wendz wrote:From what i am reading, it seems kenya can not be helped and there is no solution to what we are in.... we should therefore just sit and flow with nature to whatever pit it sends us. There is completely no hope of improving this Kenya. Totally doomed to its final death. And that's middle class talking by the way... and when the middle class talks, Kenya better listen....
I agree. Nothing can be done. totally. We should avoid such defeatist attitudes. Besides, how can what you read here warrant such a conclusion? Wazua is just a speck in the sea of knowledge. This first time, you did not get it. Sorry if I didn't get what you posted. Please elaborate on what you're saying.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wendz wrote:tycho wrote:YoungMulla wrote:We can agree the issue we're discussing is complicated, multifaceted and dependent on many factors, all which cannot be aligned simultaneously. Then again nobody said it will be easy.
What I think we need to figure out,therefore, is a starting point, a catalyst that will set the ball rolling. Ideas anyone???
Starting point is knowing who 'you' or 'we' are in relation to an identifiable system who other important players are, how the system plays out, investigate on the problems noted and design a solution set then choose what's optimal. Is it possible to give a clear example with say, agriculture. practical, simple example. It's possible to give an example using agriculture. I will do so after making a post on the results of the system analysis that I have conducted. Kindly allow me to bring it up to date.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:mkeiy wrote:tycho wrote:@mkeiy, wanting to be like South Korea is good. But truly, it's a waste of 'time', the most important of economic resources. South Korea, or America have their own system time-lines that are unique though due to globalism there are similarities across socio-economic systems.
There's no office for paradigm shifts yet that is using time as a resource. So our words are now bordering on fantasy. Fantasy is good, but this is about 'thought leadership'. The first question is how should we think about these issues? What tools are at our disposal? @tycho. Rasa wewe. You asked me for a country proud of itself, i gave you one then what? Kenya doesn't have to be like anyone else. Its just a smooth round wheel we are trying to make here. The wheel of efficiency, a functional forward thinking government and an enlightened well-woven Kenyan society. Or are we supposed to "invent" our wheel? If Singapore copied and pasted the Sessional paper number 10 of 1965 and succeeded why cant Kenya find itself to implement what it comes up with and copy the rest. Actually which country has not copied another? Tycho what does it feel to talk much but pass zero communication. Just for the sake of disagreeing bure kabisa This @tycho guy just keeps on yapping with nothing concrete. Never commits himself to the simple straight forward. Always hiding behind convoluted theories. @tycho, How will the "re-invented" wheel look like ? Give me a shape,not that BS of warped posts.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiy wrote:murchr wrote:mkeiy wrote:tycho wrote:@mkeiy, wanting to be like South Korea is good. But truly, it's a waste of 'time', the most important of economic resources. South Korea, or America have their own system time-lines that are unique though due to globalism there are similarities across socio-economic systems.
There's no office for paradigm shifts yet that is using time as a resource. So our words are now bordering on fantasy. Fantasy is good, but this is about 'thought leadership'. The first question is how should we think about these issues? What tools are at our disposal? @tycho. Rasa wewe. You asked me for a country proud of itself, i gave you one then what? Kenya doesn't have to be like anyone else. Its just a smooth round wheel we are trying to make here. The wheel of efficiency, a functional forward thinking government and an enlightened well-woven Kenyan society. Or are we supposed to "invent" our wheel? If Singapore copied and pasted the Sessional paper number 10 of 1965 and succeeded why cant Kenya find itself to implement what it comes up with and copy the rest. Actually which country has not copied another? Tycho what does it feel to talk much but pass zero communication. Just for the sake of disagreeing bure kabisa This @tycho guy just keeps on yapping with nothing concrete. Never commits himself to the simple straight forward. Always hiding behind convoluted theories. @tycho, How will the "re-invented" wheel look like ? Give me a shape,not that BS of warped posts. Not all wheels have shapes. The one we are talking about here doesn't necessarily have a specific shape, but is a 'wheel' in terms of 'function'. So please ask me about 'function'.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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The answer lies in @Masukuma's signature. I always find myself re-reading it many many times... Quote:The tragedy of the African is that he/she has been conditioned to consume what he does not produce and produce what he does not consume
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Okay, here's a picture of what is: Kenya is a processing machine for social interactions and capital. Processing rule is simple, social interactions without capital gains starve to death. End result is socially capitalized products that can go through other similar machines.
Problem is: There are those who know that they own the machine but don't know how to program the machine to yield desired outcomes. And those who don't know they own the machine and don't know enough of this machine to get their desired outcomes. These two groups contain the underemployed and unemployed. And the source of inequality. And they are very many. They scare and affect psychologically those who get their desired outcomes. Who, incidentally are very few.
The political class can promise, but many governments like ours have no or little capital. So, considering bureaucracy and the factors above expectation is greatly frustrated.
@wendz, agriculture is the backbone of our economy but it's far from being optimized. Why? Reasons above.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:The answer lies in @Masukuma's signature. I always find myself re-reading it many many times... Quote:The tragedy of the African is that he/she has been conditioned to consume what he does not produce and produce what he does not consume 'Tragedy', is when a hero, a King, succumbs to an ignoble state, and reveals weakness. The said state of consumption is a characteristic.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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