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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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@alma Kelele miiiiingi ya nini? Watu kama wewe are expected, people who are always resistant to change, dont worry you'll get used to it better still dont use them matatus. Wenye gari ndio wataamua who told you that you are in control? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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mkeiy wrote:nakujua wrote:
I can imagine some jamas have already imported those gadgets and some have already brought in the cards - I agree with you, the government has no business in this set up, let the matatu owners who want to implement it do it, and let those who do not want to be.
tuona which system will prevail, though I think a hybrid would work better, either a card or cash.
Bangi imelala kwa mtungi ya petrol acha. Debit/credit cards have been around for ages, have "jamaas" imported them? The system works and once its fine tuned, it will be very beneficial to the passengers. Cash must be allowed but through a machine, just like a vending machine without the choice of what to pay. All public buses/mats within the city have minimum fare set. What currently have is BOARDING point-of-sale, what we are lacking is the EXIT POS. This is how the system works; When boarding, you tap/swipe, being charged the minimum allowed fare let say 20 bob for our case. If you exit before you reach the destination where 20bob would have taken you, when alighting you swipe/tap and only 20bob is charged from your card. If you destination is further than where 20bob in our case would have taken you, there is a surcharge and you get charged when alighting. The benefit comes in when connecting routes/mats. If you board the next mat within the stipulated connection time, say 10 mins, on the second route/mat, you pay a percentage of the usual stipulated fare. On the third route/mat, the pay is virtually zero. The thinking is, the third route will be the first route in reverse. For it to work smoothly, the issuers of those cards need to not more than two, and strictly monitored by local authorities for fairness. The bus/mat companies must not be many for ease of accountability and transparency.The system works smoothly elsewhere. The thing is , waafrika, , , , , , , , , , , , "will the unyeuthi in us allow it?" Too much regulation and consolidation of this line of business into the hands of a few.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:
Too much regulation and consolidation of this line of business into the hands of a few.
How would you expect it to run with everyone? having a matatu on the road. Systems are there for a reason. Those who use brains embrace them, those who use hearts reject them. All the same, unyeuthi!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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murchr wrote:@alma Kelele miiiiingi ya nini? Watu kama wewe are expected, people who are always resistant to change, dont worry you'll get used to it better still dont use them matatus. Wenye gari ndio wataamua who told you that you are in control? aii my friend. I can assure you, I am more digital than you will ever be. And mine is not an empty laptop campaign promise. I was digital before you knew the meaning of the word. Hata ukiskia sina simu, nilipitia hiyo stage a long long time ago. Ati resistant to change. Ha! I'm resistant to gov't control of things that are none of their business. Wenye magari have every right to change how they do business. The gov't on the other hand has things like finding out who is sending leaflets in Tinderet it should be doing, or just finding terrorists. If they wish to, they can search for dinded fiekos. Not making laws on how or what mode of payment a human being should be using. I do hope in your search for the digital life you never forgot English comprehension and understand what I'm saying. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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mkenyan wrote:
so you swipe and board. when you reach the 20/- stage you swipe for exit. 20/- is deducted from your card. you give the manamba 30/- in cash and alight later at a 70/- stage without swiping.
Essentially, the buses should be big to have two doors. The front one for boarding and the rear one for alighting. The doors are controlled by the driver [opening and closing]. For single door like our mats, the owners need to start automating the doors asap and do away with makangas [ of course that will take some time and a lot of resistance]. The machine [POS] will then be mounted somewhere near the door, you swipe/tap while boarding and tap/swipe while alighting. The cash point also go next to the card system. Fares are preset and the crew don't get to handle a single penny. They also need to start fitting all buses/matatus with Cctv cameras all linked to the bus/matatu company head office and the local authority office. If the crew cuts corners, the owners/local authorities get to know. For ease of getting smaller denominations for fares, there will also need to be sort of change-dispensing machines. You insert your thao, you get lower denominations or even coins. The issue of makangas will go [their pay catering for the new needed ICT hardware] and in the long run, very beneficial to the whole economy. A lil' use of common sense would make the system work by all involved showing utmost cooperation. Let us all support the above than just being negative. Pessimism pays no one!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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mkeiy wrote:Muriel wrote:
Too much regulation and consolidation of this line of business into the hands of a few.
How would you expect it to run with everyone? having a matatu on the road. Systems are there for a reason. Those who use brains embrace them, those who use hearts reject them. All the same, unyeuthi! Give nyeuthis some credit if they use their brains to think, unless you believe nyeuthis cannot and should not think, theirs is to accept and adopt. Only. That is the point, it is not expected to run with everyone having a matatu on the road and that would mean either: (a) 'retrenchment' of the 'small holder' matatus or (b) conglomeration / cartels / monopolies Point (b) will be the most viable option and that will leave the individual commuter at a most disadvantaged position in so far as his bargaining power goes. By the way, what is the primary problem is this that this new system is expected to solve? It is not a rhetorical question. Is it too much liquidity on the roads? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with cash on the roads? Bribery is a second tier problem tertiary to this point. What will be the solution to bribery?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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mkeiy wrote:nakujua wrote:
I can imagine some jamas have already imported those gadgets and some have already brought in the cards - I agree with you, the government has no business in this set up, let the matatu owners who want to implement it do it, and let those who do not want to be.
tuona which system will prevail, though I think a hybrid would work better, either a card or cash.
Bangi imelala kwa mtungi ya petrol acha.
Debit/credit cards have been around for ages, have "jamaas" imported them?
yes, jamaas import them - they are not manufactured locally, ama I am missing something ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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mkeiy wrote:mkenyan wrote:
so you swipe and board. when you reach the 20/- stage you swipe for exit. 20/- is deducted from your card. you give the manamba 30/- in cash and alight later at a 70/- stage without swiping.
Essentially, the buses should be big to have two doors. The front one for boarding and the rear one for alighting. The doors are controlled by the driver [opening and closing]. For single door like our mats, the owners need to start automating the doors asap and do away with makangas [ of course that will take some time and a lot of resistance]. The machine [POS] will then be mounted somewhere near the door, you swipe/tap while boarding and tap/swipe while alighting. The cash point also go next to the card system. Fares are preset and the crew don't get to handle a single penny. They also need to start fitting all buses/matatus with Cctv cameras all linked to the bus/matatu company head office and the local authority office. If the crew cuts corners, the owners/local authorities get to know. For ease of getting smaller denominations for fares, there will also need to be sort of change-dispensing machines. You insert your thao, you get lower denominations or even coins. The issue of makangas will go [their pay catering for the new needed ICT hardware] and in the long run, very beneficial to the whole economy. A lil' use of common sense would make the system work by all involved showing utmost cooperation. Let us all support the above than just being negative. Pessimism pays no one! you have excellent ideas, and I am in full support of the same, from the; automating of the doors, getting rid of makangas, installing cctv connected to the head office, buying bigger busses with 2 doors, presetting fares, installing pos at the matatu door, change dispensing machines, breaking up a thao into coins, using the 300 bob paid to makanga to buy and maintain the ICT Hardware, and last but not least all of us supporting the grand ideas. 
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2010 Posts: 728 Location: Wazuaville
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alma wrote:@washiku there's a basic principle that I never shift from. Gov't interference in my private life. I don't care how moral a gov't feels it is.
It is ok for owners to want to go cashless. That's their business.
But it is very very wrong for the gov't to be telling me how to pay for a particular service or product. And put a law.
Next they will tell us to use beba pay in all butcheries.
For the saved guys out there, this is the 666 the letters of the devil that we were told about.
Washiku, see how easy it would be for me to start tearing it down? hahaha! @alma, that's how the "civilized world" works no wonder the adage the law is an ass. in some copuntries the law forbids cash transactions beyond a certain figure meaning you have to swipe cards or use checks. anza kuzoea "Money never sleeps"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:murchr wrote:@alma Kelele miiiiingi ya nini? Watu kama wewe are expected, people who are always resistant to change, dont worry you'll get used to it better still dont use them matatus. Wenye gari ndio wataamua who told you that you are in control? aii my friend. I can assure you, I am more digital than you will ever be. And mine is not an empty laptop campaign promise. I was digital before you knew the meaning of the word. Hata ukiskia sina simu, nilipitia hiyo stage a long long time ago. Ati resistant to change. Ha! I'm resistant to gov't control of things that are none of their business. Wenye magari have every right to change how they do business. The gov't on the other hand has things like finding out who is sending leaflets in Tinderet it should be doing, or just finding terrorists. If they wish to, they can search for dinded fiekos. Not making laws on how or what mode of payment a human being should be using. I do hope in your search for the digital life you never forgot English comprehension and understand what I'm saying. The govts biggest interest is revenue collection, lazima ushuru ilipwe thats why cash elimination is key. Another thing its becoming very expensive to print and kuthondeka those coins you call money thats why almost all govts are looking at minimizing the use of cash/coins. So start looking at it from that angle, owners want to get the maximum returns from their investments, and the GOK wants to collect as much revenue as they can. Wewe kama abiria hauna say, you get that gadget or you walk/drive yourself to wherever. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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