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Pombe Haramu - 50 dead...
Angelica _ann
#51 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:16:06 AM
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KBS 'KEBS' should also be in the firing line here.

McR is very right. What these guys paid for is not what they were given. You cannot blame them but the manufacturers and law enforcers. Blame goes back to gava.
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mkenyan
#52 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:30:23 AM
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washiku wrote:
nakujua wrote:
washiku wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mo wrote:
i wont rush to blame the dead; i think its a reflection of the disparities in income;you can easily profile to a specific income group the guys that died from this. none of them is midro crass. what gava forgets is that all of us kenyans not just midro crass need a booze but then they were happy enough to lump taxes on senator effectively becoming inaccessible to the low income groups. what did you expect? that the guys would stop boozing?


The dead had been consuming the illegal brew all this while in the same dens, then some 'bright' Kenyan decides to make the brew more cheaply but more lethal and what do we have, more than 65 dead in different parts of the country!!!!!



@McReggae, well said.

Now duplicate our obsession with blame games and the same is replicated everywhere, including security, someone needs to answer the questions who are the killer (or is it brewers?) as well as the bombers.

its sad that some are blaming the guys who were partaking in the drink, which is a packaged liquor legally sold.

The brewers are to blame for this and if the prosecutors fail to go after them then they will also be to blame.


I have a problem with that word. How legal was that liquor? Where was it registered as a safe-to-drink alcohol? Do they have a KEBS Cert? Do they pay tax? Greed kills. Greed has has killed them in their tens. Greed by the brewer. Brewer by the local administrator who has always looked the other way after something little. Greed by the road blocks past which the distributors pass when doing their deliveries.

From what is going round, the drink in question is called countryman, its packaged in glass bottles and has the kebs sticker, and while I know the same can be faked, lakini how can you drag the local administration or the cops at the road blocks and worse still the buyers of the same - liquor distribution and sale is not illegal and the kebs sticker is supposed to give the buyer assurance.


If you listen to locals in the village, they will tell you who makes illegal brews and the chief knows them too. When they want to proof they are busy, the Chiefs will call NTV and a few APs to have a photo session as they raid the dens and pour the liquor. The culplits will be released once the cameras goes off. The partakers too are to blame. Spare me the poverty theory. Who ever died for not partaking? If one has to, why not save the 20bobs they spend daily and partake a clean stuff on weekends? Now they have abandoned their duties in their families and spends the whole day, whole week in those days. Results? No teeth, can't fulfill their wive's needs, smells like goats, can't raise a Jennette coz body shakes like a spoilt engine aaarrgggh.

but were the drinks in this instance the 'local' illicit ones as far as the partakers were aware? it seems to me that the one who got caught this time were the once who upgraded from the 'local' deadly ones to what they saw as genuine and safe drinks (in branded package and with a kebs mark on them too). all these which were being sold to them with the apparent full knowledge of the relevant authorities.
harrydre
#53 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:39:17 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
KBS 'KEBS' should also be in the firing line here.

McR is very right. What these guys paid for is not what they were given. You cannot blame them but the manufacturers and law enforcers. Blame goes back to gava.


people always make that KBS rubber stamp in the streets, don't be quick to blame. The culprit here is the guy manufacturing that illegal stuff, the law enforcement protecting him and of course the final consumer of the product.
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B.Timer
#54 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:43:56 AM
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@Mkenyan

Actualy that's another problem on this matter - It is not clear just what happened here.

Were these illicit brews as we know them - where the partakers know that what they are ingesting is banned by the Government
or
Are we dealing with licensed sources that chose to to spice up the drink a bit.

Who will tell Kenyans the truth.

Only Govt can!

Dunia ni msongamano..
ZZE123
#55 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 11:47:16 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
KBS 'KEBS' should also be in the firing line here.

McR is very right. What these guys paid for is not what they were given. You cannot blame them but the manufacturers and law enforcers. Blame goes back to gava.


people always make that KBS rubber stamp in the streets, don't be quick to blame. The culprit here is the guy manufacturing that illegal stuff, the law enforcement protecting him and of course the final consumer of the product.


KEBS should have a mechanising of monitoring and ensuring consistency in quality of any product that has their mark!
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chemos
#56 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:02:18 PM
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EABL pushes for KEG taxes to be scrapped

Could this guys have a hand in it????? Thinking outside the box...

when was the last time u heard of such illicit drinks deaths.. almost 2 or 3 year back if am not wrong..

Then all of a sudden after a sharp increase in taxes this come up....d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
nakujua
#57 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:04:18 PM
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McReggae wrote:
This reminds me of the Westgate attack Vs Sinai and such like victims!

Today if EABL sold Tusker that has poison to serena and dignitaries suffered there would be an uproar. On this thread you get wazuan middle class celebrating that some poor folks died yet they were given something different from what they ordered, this is wrong!!!

They ordered for 'A' and were fed on 'B', this is unacceptable at whatever level....be it alcohol, meat, veges or whatever!!!!

True, the stuff was packaged as required by law and had the stamp of approval (whether it was fake or not) - just because a person looks dirty, filthy or resides in the slums does not make them a lesser human being.

its like someone blaming you for having omena instead of the lobsters, crabs or abalone delicacies. smile
conos
#58 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:12:02 PM
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maka wrote:
This thing has been there for a while...they must have got the formulation wrong this time,simple question what is hard for this NACADA and KEBS officers walking into a bar and picking up the various spirits being sold,take them to the labs for testing,whatever doesnt pass the test to be flagged down and the brewers traced and prosecuted it isnt the hardest thing to do...They just dont want to do it...

NACADA na KEBS count them out. did see the pics where the guys were taking the stuff and you expect nacada and kebs to go there? Do they have powers to arrest? power to prosecute?....

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2012
#59 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:15:23 PM
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chemos wrote:
EABL pushes for KEG taxes to be scrapped

Could this guys have a hand in it????? Thinking outside the box...

when was the last time u heard of such illicit drinks deaths.. almost 2 or 3 year back if am not wrong..

Then all of a sudden after a sharp increase in taxes this come up....d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Very clever EABL! Kweli millions and millionaires are made during calamities.

Anyway Mututho should be fired! Too much time wasted harassing and extorting from bar owners and patrons to close at 11.

BBI will solve it
:)
Magigi
#60 Posted : Thursday, May 08, 2014 1:00:23 PM
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2012 wrote:
chemos wrote:
EABL pushes for KEG taxes to be scrapped

Could this guys have a hand in it????? Thinking outside the box...

when was the last time u heard of such illicit drinks deaths.. almost 2 or 3 year back if am not wrong..

Then all of a sudden after a sharp increase in taxes this come up....d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Very clever EABL! Kweli millions and millionaires are made during calamities.

Anyway Mututho should be fired! Too much time wasted harassing and extorting from bar owners and patrons to close at 11.

...ahahahahaha... Make hay while the sun shines...
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