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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I don't see what the big deal is here, the general GP at Nairobi Hospital will google your symptoms then send you for exploratory tests to determine whether the infection is fungal or bacterial and at the same time fatten the hospitals bank account.
They then give you medicine as above. If you are not cured, they refer you to a specialist.
Anyone can do that?
Good work MKU, let the noisemakers keep talking. Exactly, they are all the same even at Mater. Took a patient there and after tests and over Kshs. 9,000 in bills, they referred (booked) the patient to a specialist who has to be paid another 2,600/= before he can prescribe. Then you buy the drugs from their pharmacy. Let MKU invest and train Doctors and other Medics. UoN, Uzima and Egerton Graduates will soon be no different if they invest heavily on facilities plus of course google.  "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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poundfoolish wrote:kiterunner wrote:About 5-6 years ago kenya graduated about 400 doctors per year (Moi and UoN), in 6 years time Kenya will be graduating 2000 to 3000 (Maseno, Egerton, KU, Kisii, UoN, Uzima, MKU, KEMU, ?JKUAT, Agha Khan etc) medics per year. A good number of them will leave the country for greener pastures (read diaspora remittance), some will join the skeleton of a health service in Kenya (public and private), health facilities with medical schools will offer better facilities as they upgrade to train more doctors, the 'genius' doctor myth will be busted, the doctor patient ratio will improve,......
(FYI even above average Americans study medicine abroad where its cheaper and go home to be registered ie SA, Philippines, India)
I only see positives in this development.
A good number of the MDGs are health related and it does not take a rocket scientist to see people as Gacharu are making the Kenyan dream real
My former classmate at undergrad who was discontinued went to Tz and trained to be a doc and he now practices in Nairobi :), so bwana poundfoolish, they are already among us the dreaded C students. Why do you think KPMDU is so 'activist' now? Take a guess is your main problem the nos. or the quality... If you only knew how many effing times some of my siblings have been misdiagonised by these so called doctors... nkt!!!! and when you go to the next one.. he tells you how bad the last one did.. and the next says the same of the previous guy.. I am not against MKU starting a med school.. but in a country where docs are in shory supply, lecturers in shorter supply.. from what end are they trying to solve this problem...? tryzex? you will find that the training of the few docs we have is very poor (including UoN) compared to developed countries mostly due to facilities. But on the other hand very few people get to see doctors leading to madness like Loliondo. So I welcome anyone anyone that will increase the number of kenyans that can access some form of medical attention. I agree with you that quality needs to be improved. We need a critical mass of well trained specialized doctors and MKU among others are contributing to this our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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poundfoolish wrote:kiterunner wrote:About 5-6 years ago kenya graduated about 400 doctors per year (Moi and UoN), in 6 years time Kenya will be graduating 2000 to 3000 (Maseno, Egerton, KU, Kisii, UoN, Uzima, MKU, KEMU, ?JKUAT, Agha Khan etc) medics per year. A good number of them will leave the country for greener pastures (read diaspora remittance), some will join the skeleton of a health service in Kenya (public and private), health facilities with medical schools will offer better facilities as they upgrade to train more doctors, the 'genius' doctor myth will be busted, the doctor patient ratio will improve,......
(FYI even above average Americans study medicine abroad where its cheaper and go home to be registered ie SA, Philippines, India)
I only see positives in this development.
A good number of the MDGs are health related and it does not take a rocket scientist to see people as Gacharu are making the Kenyan dream real
My former classmate at undergrad who was discontinued went to Tz and trained to be a doc and he now practices in Nairobi :), so bwana poundfoolish, they are already among us the dreaded C students. Why do you think KPMDU is so 'activist' now? Take a guess is your main problem the nos. or the quality... If you only knew how many effing times some of my siblings have been misdiagonised by these so called doctors... nkt!!!! and when you go to the next one.. he tells you how bad the last one did.. and the next says the same of the previous guy.. I am not against MKU starting a med school.. but in a country where docs are in shory supply, lecturers in shorter supply.. from what end are they trying to solve this problem...? tryzex? You are forgetting that the same lecturers who train in public unis r mostly the same who train in private. MKU campus near UON is a good example. In fact, some of the trainers put more emphasis at private coz they r better remunarated in sm better/closely supervised. Strathmore could give you some indication. My point therefore is if facilities are provided, trainers will be sorted. If they produce quality products who happens to be future trainers, the trend could be maintained. Therefore, let them start off, the issues will be sorted with time. After all there is no way you can perfect sth unless you start.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Clinical officers in our dispensaries are better than the so called docs we see around yet we all know they got Cs so A+ is nothing really...many of these people passed Maths, Bio and Chem but failed in Ksw Hist/Geo etc hence the lower grade. If someone has a passion in medicine then nothing should stop him/her from going after their dream "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Wazuans should declare their KCSE results before talking of others grades.We all know some like @qooler scored a D plain,while others are beneficiaries of parallel courses,bridging courses and private universities like Kemu,Uzima,Umma etc.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mawinder wrote:Wazuans should declare their KCSE results before talking of others grades.We all know some like @qooler scored a D plain,while others are beneficiaries of parallel courses,bridging courses and private universities like Kemu,Uzima,Umma etc. @qooler confessed to being NDEE plain?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2013 Posts: 182
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For Sport wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff? No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that) Man must live!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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urstill wrote:For Sport wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff? No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that) If you read the article, you will see the breakdown i.e, 20 professors (i suspect including associate profs) and other teaching staff. I think UoN may have over 100 profs, University of Cape Town has many more our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2013 Posts: 182
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kiterunner wrote:urstill wrote:For Sport wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff? No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that) If you read the article, you will see the breakdown i.e, 20 professors (i suspect including associate profs) and other teaching staff. I think UoN may have over 100 profs, University of Cape Town has many more Link? Not very many lecturers have a doctorate degree and those who have very few have completed post-doctoral fellowship, which is a minimum requirement for assistant professorship. I do not even think there is an institution offering post-doctoral fellowship in Africa except for a selected few in SA. PS: Associate professor is a level above assistant one. Man must live!
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