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Average cost of standard railway gauge from Mombasa to Malaba!
mawinder
#51 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 4:48:09 PM
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timbosho wrote:
why is it not shameful for us to go to china and other countries for grants and aid after 50 years of independence? do we not have brains/skills equal to the ones the donor countries have? when will we stand up and make something worthwhile for ourselves? you end up with nothing urself when you are always asking asking and never doing anything for yourself.

You come to wazua and begin hating on the govt and ridiculing Kenyans?Do you feed Kenyans?Take your family problems elsewhere!!!
Rahatupu
#52 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 5:25:27 PM
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BTW, how much land does the Kenya Railway have on the side of the Lunatic - I mean how much in width from the current line? I gather maybe an acre or two on the sides. If this is true ( I stand to be corrected), then the SGR can go along the Lunatic.
murchr
#53 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:04:18 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
BTW, how much land does the Kenya Railway have on the side of the Lunatic - I mean how much in width from the current line? I gather maybe an acre or two on the sides. If this is true ( I stand to be corrected), then the SGR can go along the Lunatic.


Land is not problem, but there will be alot of evictions which should be done early
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Impunity
#54 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 7:52:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
Rahatupu wrote:
BTW, how much land does the Kenya Railway have on the side of the Lunatic - I mean how much in width from the current line? I gather maybe an acre or two on the sides. If this is true ( I stand to be corrected), then the SGR can go along the Lunatic.


Land is not problem, but there will be alot of evictions which should be done early


Minimun 50 metres on either side but most of it is encroached...so painful evictions await!
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sparkly
#55 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:58:36 AM
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timbosho wrote:
why is it not shameful for us to go to china and other countries for grants and aid after 50 years of independence? do we not have brains/skills equal to the ones the donor countries have? when will we stand up and make something worthwhile for ourselves? you end up with nothing urself when you are always asking asking and never doing anything for yourself.


Getting loans and grants from a foreign country, nothing untoward.

It is actually the norm in financing public projects. The Govt does not have a job and does not engage in enterprise. The Gov will therefore raise money by taxing business or by borrowing internally or externally.

In the case of Kenya KShs 500B is alot of money to borrow at once from the local economy. It will cause disruption in the local banking sector. There will be left with no money to lend to private sector leading to higher interest rates.

Local credit is also expensive. Bond rates are >10% whereas overseas the rates are <1% in some countries.

Lender bears the risk of default. It is not easy to get a loan of KShs 500B payable in 20 or more years from a private bank. A state backed development bank like EXIM can easily assume the risk esp where the loan is sovereign secured.

For the reasons above it is makes sense to borrow from overseas to finance huge capital expenses. The loans will be repaid with revenue from the railway, port, pipeline etc.

Did you know that the Chinese are the financiers of the US Treasury?
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sparkly
#56 Posted : Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:45:36 AM
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mkeiyd wrote:
josimar wrote:
The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy.



@josimar, And the alternative would be? Care to share?

Do we tax ourselves for several years to raise the amounts needed? How much would we raise and how much would that hurt the economy?
If loans are that bad,why do we take loans from banks?
Is it that individual development loans are good but gov't development loans are bad?

Bottom line is, if the loan is utilized well, the multiplier effect of an efficient transport system out weighs the financing costs.

We don't make spare parts of anything,heck we even import toothpicks. Where else would we be getting spare parts from if not importing.

What we should be championing is transparency and accountability.


Spoken like 7 wise men.
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Impunity
#57 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 11:13:20 AM
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If this line become fully operational I just wonder what will happen to the thousands of trailers/trucks ferrying containers and other bulky goods from coast to hinterland...those wahindis and warabus ahve inveted billions of shillings in the transport sector.
Will they be tempted to plant gurunetis along the line frequently in order to derail this competition?
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limanika
#58 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 11:44:50 AM
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Impunity wrote:
If this line become fully operational I just wonder what will happen to the thousands of trailers/trucks ferrying containers and other bulky goods from coast to hinterland...those wahindis and warabus ahve inveted billions of shillings in the transport sector.
Will they be tempted to plant gurunetis along the line frequently in order to derail this competition?

That’s a valid concern right there. We should expect delay tactics from many quarters including political foes, other contractors, haulers, man eaters?, etc and I hope the govt is ready for that.
However, it shouldn’t be doom and gloom for truck owners from the word go. Given the number of people employed in this sector, Govt is unlikely to outlaw truck transport. Most likely the trucks will continue to operate in competition with the new kid in the block. This will lead to reduction of road transport prices. The SGR will offer advantage on speed and someone will have a chance to choose what means to use. All players including RVR will be forced to lower prices to bare minimum in order to survive.
Impunity
#59 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:00:54 PM
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limanika wrote:
Impunity wrote:
If this line become fully operational I just wonder what will happen to the thousands of trailers/trucks ferrying containers and other bulky goods from coast to hinterland...those wahindis and warabus ahve inveted billions of shillings in the transport sector.
Will they be tempted to plant gurunetis along the line frequently in order to derail this competition?

That’s a valid concern right there. We should expect delay tactics from many quarters including political foes, other contractors, haulers, man eaters?, etc and I hope the govt is ready for that.
However, it shouldn’t be doom and gloom for truck owners from the word go. Given the number of people employed in this sector, Govt is unlikely to outlaw truck transport. Most likely the trucks will continue to operate in competition with the new kid in the block. This will lead to reduction of road transport prices. The SGR will offer advantage on speed and someone will have a chance to choose what means to use. All players including RVR will be forced to lower prices to bare minimum in order to survive.


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ION: You cannot mention RVR with competition in the same sentence.
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limanika
#60 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:16:23 PM
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Impunity wrote:
limanika wrote:
Impunity wrote:
If this line become fully operational I just wonder what will happen to the thousands of trailers/trucks ferrying containers and other bulky goods from coast to hinterland...those wahindis and warabus ahve inveted billions of shillings in the transport sector.
Will they be tempted to plant gurunetis along the line frequently in order to derail this competition?

That’s a valid concern right there. We should expect delay tactics from many quarters including political foes, other contractors, haulers, man eaters?, etc and I hope the govt is ready for that.
However, it shouldn’t be doom and gloom for truck owners from the word go. Given the number of people employed in this sector, Govt is unlikely to outlaw truck transport. Most likely the trucks will continue to operate in competition with the new kid in the block. This will lead to reduction of road transport prices. The SGR will offer advantage on speed and someone will have a chance to choose what means to use. All players including RVR will be forced to lower prices to bare minimum in order to survive.


Ati man eaters!
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ION: You cannot mention RVR with competition in the same sentence.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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