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Alba
#51 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:08:04 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Alba wrote:
mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Mzeiya what exactly is inaccurate ?


The diss on Ethiopia is totally unwarranted. Even with the docked points they are still 2pts ahead of SA and only need to match SA's result in their last game to qualify for the last stage qualifiers. The only team i can say has regressed is Bafana talk about being overated...


It is warranted. You mean to tell me Ethiopian officials do not know the rules ? How is this excusable ?

Ethiopia had already qualified for the next round. Now they might not. They had sensationally eliminated SA with their massive budget. Now they have given SA a lifeline. The players have been working hard only for a negligent official to mess up their hard work

If this costs them a place in the next round, some fans will never forgive the officials. Had this happened in some football mad nations, that official would have had to resign.


That official already resigned!!!!


Thank You !

That means Mzeiya's point about the diss to Ethiopia being unwarranted has no basis. His resignation confirms that my point that his incompetence is inexcusable.

BTW Nigeria was once ranked 4th in the FIFA rankings. So I think FIFA stats show the Africa is actually regressing..

Also note that African teams won the Olympic gold medal in 1996 and 2000. I actually watched the 1996 event where Naija beat Brazil and Argentina. Do you remember how they ran rings around these teams ? Argie simply could not deal with the pace of the Naija forwards.
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McReggae
#52 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:09:40 PM
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@Alba, I still insist that African teams have stagnated rather than regressed. Looking at the December FIFA rankings in evry world cup year:

Year Nigeria Position African teams in top 30
1994 12 6
1998 65 5
2002 29 3
2006 9 6
2010 32 3

It's a see-saw kind of thing!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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bkismat
#53 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:17:54 PM
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http://www.kawowo.com/in...igible-player-saga.html
And it seems like the whole executive committee will not contest the coming elections due to the blunder
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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Alba
#54 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:58:55 PM
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McReggae wrote:
@Alba, I still insist that African teams have stagnated rather than regressed. Looking at the December FIFA rankings in evry world cup year:

Year Nigeria Position African teams in top 30
1994 12 6
1998 65 5
2002 29 3
2006 9 6
2010 32 3

It's a see-saw kind of thing!!!


If its a see-saw then I would say that this is the lowest that the Nigerian see-saw has been in a long time. I am talking talent wise.

But forget the FIFA stats for a second. Do these Naija players measure up to the squads they have had in the recent past ? When was the last time Naija did not have a formidable striker ?
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mzeiya411
#55 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:27:20 PM
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Alba wrote:
Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing.Today Nigeria has structure but no talent. The team of 1994 would have scored at least 2 goals against Spain.





Just a thought many analysts are of the opinion that the current Spanish team might go down as one of the greatest team of all time. So losing to them is not as bad as you think, ask the Italians how they felt after the 4-0 thrashing at the Euros....
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mzeiya411
#56 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:30:23 PM
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Alba wrote:
Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing

And how could they loose to Uruguay, a team that is struggling to qualify for the 2014 WC ? A country whose population is 3 million versus Nigeria's 140 million ?



Hey Uruguay are 2 time WC winners, if you talk about population i think China and India would be winning every WC...you need to have structures to perform well
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McReggae
#57 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:41:00 PM
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mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing

And how could they loose to Uruguay, a team that is struggling to qualify for the 2014 WC ? A country whose population is 3 million versus Nigeria's 140 million ?



Hey Uruguay are 2 time WC winners, if you talk about population i think China and India would be winning every WC...you need to have structures to perform well


@Alba .....to add on this, why is Uruguay in the Cofederations and not Argentina?
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Alba
#58 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:01:30 PM
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mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing

And how could they loose to Uruguay, a team that is struggling to qualify for the 2014 WC ? A country whose population is 3 million versus Nigeria's 140 million ?



Hey Uruguay are 2 time WC winners, if you talk about population i think China and India would be winning every WC...you need to have structures to perform well


Countries like China and India are not a factor in football because they do not have a culture of football. In India for example, there are a total of only 30 football fields in a country of 1 billion. You will be hard pressed to find an Indian who plays football. So clearly India cannot be good at football.

The Chinese have no culture of football either even though they are trying to force it.

But Nigeria has little excuse other than self inflicted ones. Its a country of 140 million, everyone is football mad unlike Kenya. The clubs are sponsored by states using devolution money. They have very good stadia by African standards. The national team is well funded and sponsored. They have private football academies. They have very active youth teams that play in every global youth tournament. Their league is well attended. And In Nigeria, everyone demands excellence including the government unlike Kenya where the leaders dont care and people settle for mediocrity like Hassan Wario, a man who knows nothing about sports.

I am not sure what excuse Naija could have ? I say no excuses. African teams are suffering from incompetence. The gap between Europe and Africa which was once closing is now widening.
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Alba
#59 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:08:54 PM
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McReggae wrote:
mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing

And how could they loose to Uruguay, a team that is struggling to qualify for the 2014 WC ? A country whose population is 3 million versus Nigeria's 140 million ?



Hey Uruguay are 2 time WC winners, if you talk about population i think China and India would be winning every WC...you need to have structures to perform well


@Alba .....to add on this, why is Uruguay in the Cofederations and not Argentina?


Mzeiya brings up the fact that Uruguay have won the world cup. But that was 50 years ago.

Lets talk about recent history. Uruguay are 5th in the South America world cup qualifiers behind Chile and Ecuador. They are in danger of not qualifying.

Uruguay qualified for the Confed cup because they won COPA America in 2011. But COPA America is not taken seriously by Brazil and Argie. Both teams failed to make the semis. I dont think Messi even played for Argie. Uruguay beat Paraguay in the final.

In South America, the real measure of strength is the world cup qualifiers which all teams take seriously. And unlike Africa, all teams are in one group, so they all play against each other.
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mzeiya411
#60 Posted : Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:21:57 PM
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Alba wrote:
McReggae wrote:
mzeiya411 wrote:
Alba wrote:
Here is why I think Nigeria is regressing

And how could they loose to Uruguay, a team that is struggling to qualify for the 2014 WC ? A country whose population is 3 million versus Nigeria's 140 million ?



Hey Uruguay are 2 time WC winners, if you talk about population i think China and India would be winning every WC...you need to have structures to perform well


@Alba .....to add on this, why is Uruguay in the Cofederations and not Argentina?


Mzeiya brings up the fact that Uruguay have won the world cup. But that was 50 years ago.

Lets talk about recent history. Uruguay are 5th in the South America world cup qualifiers behind Chile and Ecuador. They are in danger of not qualifying.

Uruguay qualified for the Confed cup because they won COPA America in 2011. But COPA America is not taken seriously by Brazil and Argie. Both teams failed to make the semis. I dont think Messi even played for Argie. Uruguay beat Paraguay in the final.

In South America, the real measure of strength is the world cup qualifiers which all teams take seriously. And unlike Africa, all teams are in one group, so they all play against each other.


Are you sure about Arge. Who hosted the Copa in 2011. Just to summarise there can only be one winner in each tournament and obviously every country hopes to win it. Can't make any excuses for Super Eagles but your bit about Africa regressing is missing the whole picture
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