Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Life
»
Prophet Owuor HIV-AIDS Healings
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
|
Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: @muriel, so Jesus was not a prophet because he was arrested beaten and crucified was he fake?
Was John the baptist fake because they chopped off his head?
Was Zachariya (Zachariah) fake because they chopped him in half?
Was Musa (Moses) fake because his people refused to follow him into the promised land?
Was Ibrahim (Abraham) fake because his people banished (exiled) him from their country?
Was Yusuf (Joseph) fake because his brothers plotted against him?
Jesus was true John was true Zechariah was true Moses was true Abraham was true Joseph was true Mohammed was a charlatan, a molester, a nag and a fake. Like Owuor. @muriel, why do you say what you say? WHy is Muhammad a charlatan, a moestor, a nag and a fake? Can you give two examples of each class? Why do you say that Jesus was true? What makes you believe that Jesus was true? Who told you Jesus was true? ( hey @all others, I'm not saying Jesus was not true, don't jump in here and say I'm disbelieving in Jesus, I believe in him 100%. This is for @muriel).
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 7/20/2011 Posts: 161 Location: nairobi
|
AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, Allah says in Quran 2:146 "those to whom WE gave the Scriptures - the Jews n the Christians - recognize Muhammad as they recognize their own sons. But some of them conceal the truth while they know it."
How True! Both Christian Scholars recognized the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instantly at their first meeting with him as if they had known him for years and both predicted events in his life which would take place in the future.
This means that they were basing their predictions on prophecies in their books. What were these prophecies? @alpha.... were you there? How do you know all these is not a lie? Mimi sipendi hizi story. Just worship your God and let us worship ours in peace. Pray for me kama unaona nakosea, but dont bore us with stories. Patience. You cannot have a baby in one month by impregnating nine women....
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
|
uuuwi!! brb when you get to the last page if revelation.
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
|
He he he.... I was there. Ask and it will be answered by mimi work to prosper
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
|
Tokyo wrote:He he he.... I was there. Ask and it will be answered by mimi Ask? Ask for what? Laugh.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
|
AlphDoti wrote: @muriel, why do you say what you say? WHy is Muhammad a charlatan, a moestor, a nag and a fake? Can you give two examples of each class?
Why do you say that Jesus was true? What makes you believe that Jesus was true? Who told you Jesus was true? (hey @all others, I'm not saying Jesus was not true, don't jump in here and say I'm disbelieving in Jesus, I believe in him 100%. This is for @muriel).
Charlatan - 1. He deceived people by saying that Allah said they saved the boy when everybody knows Allah does not save anybody. 2. He deceived people when he said Allah had daughters when everybody knows Allah has no such bodily functions. Molestor - 1. Aisha. You, a father, would call the man who does that to daughters. 2. Bukhari says Mohammed used to dream and fantasize about Aisha even asking that she be undressed maybe for him to ogle at while she was still a baby wrapped in cloth - the 'diapers' of that time and age. Nag 1. Instead of getting on with the programme in Taif he severely complained to Allah that he was unable to convert the people. 2. The above dua was the nag of nags hence is used twice as 2 examples of nagging. Fake 1. If Moses foretold the coming of Mohammed (Qur’an 7:157) then by talking about Al lat, Al Uzza and Al Manat, Mohammed said there are many more gods besides Allah. 2. Like the nagging, the 3 goddesses are so serious that Mohammed should have been executed as being the fakest prophet ever. He even confessed to his fakeness that he listened to Shaitan.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
|
@muriel, I'm going to respond to your last post. And please read, don't turn around and say you didn't see my response.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
|
Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote: @muriel, why do you say what you say? WHy is Muhammad a charlatan, a moestor, a nag and a fake? Can you give two examples of each class?
Why do you say that Jesus was true? What makes you believe that Jesus was true? Who told you Jesus was true? (hey @all others, I'm not saying Jesus was not true, don't jump in here and say I'm disbelieving in Jesus, I believe in him 100%. This is for @muriel).
Charlatan - 1. He deceived people by saying that Allah said they saved the boy when everybody knows Allah does not save anybody. 2. He deceived people when he said Allah had daughters when everybody knows Allah has no such bodily functions. < alphdoti> 1. Ransom means substitute. Almighty God wanted to test the two men (Abraham and his son), with their will, with self-sacrifice in the service of Allah. When they obeyed the test, God Almighty stopped Abraham from that and substituted for ram. GOD WAS SIMPLY TESTING IBRAHIM'S OBEDIENCE.2. Allah was not born, has no wife, does not have sex, does not give birth, hence does not have daughter or son. In fact the Quran chapter 112:1-4 clarifies what you are insinuating: i. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; ii. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; iii. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; iv. And there is none like unto Him. Molestor - 1. Aisha. You, a father, would call the man who does that to daughters. 2. Bukhari says Mohammed used to dream and fantasize about Aisha even asking that she be undressed maybe for him to ogle at while she was still a baby wrapped in cloth - the 'diapers' of that time and age. < alphdoti> Prophet did not do what you have said. He was the example to us, and mercy to mankind. The Hadiths are in Bukhari, it says: "Aisha is 6 years old. Her mother comes to her and takes her into the house to her father
SO FAR, DID YOU HEAR THE WORD "SEX" IN THERE? NO!
"..Her father is doing a tradition, which a part of the Arab tradition, offering his daughter in marriage to his best friend, someone who is a leader, someone important to him. Her father says "I want you to marry my daughter".
Next, she is back outside playing. Yes or no? Yes! WHERE DID YOU HEAR "SEX" IN THERE?
This is what you're thinking about. It is not what prophet did. The other hadith, she is now older. Now turn to the Quran, chapter 4:19 "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will". So in order for a woman to get married, she has to be old enough to know what is going on and understand it and old enough to have children. Otherwise, she can't get married. So, we're reading that, even though Aisha was betrothed in younger age, she did not get married until she was old enough.
Again, everything we know about Aisha's marriage is coming from her! Read what she says! Think about 2,200 saying that came from Aisha, she is saying only the best things about her husband Muhammad s.a.w. Yes or no? All she is saying again and again is she praises him, loving him, talking about when she was young racing with him, when she got older she got heavy he used to beat her in the race, she used to tease him, playing tricks on him... but still he was very caring and loving husband to her so much so that when he died, he died right there in that house with his head on her lap. What was the last things she did? She chewed a stick to clean his teeth and in this condition, he passed away. And for the rest of her life, she never narrated any single bad word about her husband. Do you know any wife for whole life she never said a bad word about her husband? Do you know of a woman who can go even 1 year or 1 month or 1 week... maybe even 1 day and she says something about her husband. Aisha never said a single bad word about her husband. Yes or no? She never even considered to look at any other man for the rest of her life. If I ask you, is this the best love story you've ever heard?Nag 1. Instead of getting on with the programme in Taif he severely complained to Allah that he was unable to convert the people. 2. The above dua was the nag of nags hence is used twice as 2 examples of nagging. < alphdoti> What is wrong with that? It was a fact he couldn't do. He's asking Allah for help. What was the result? He became a successful emperor. Does that make him fake? Results points to his effort, it shows it was not by his own strength, but by Allah's help. He left behind great people. Right now, it is difficult for ordinary people to create peace.Fake 1. If Moses foretold the coming of Mohammed (Qur’an 7:157) then by talking about Al lat, Al Uzza and Al Manat, Mohammed said there are many more gods besides Allah. 2. Like the nagging, the 3 goddesses are so serious that Mohammed should have been executed as being the fakest prophet ever. He even confessed to his fakeness that he listened to Shaitan. < alphdoti> I realized you're copying these claims from some website! I will use one reply from a certain muslim scholar to refute "your" claims. Does the Quran actually state that Allah has three daughters? Let us quote this passage: Quran 53:19 says: "Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza," Quran 53:20 continues: "And another, the third (goddess), Manat?" Why did you stop there? Were you too afraid to quote the rest of the verses? Let us now quote the rest of the passages: Quran 53:21 "What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?" Quran 53:22 "Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!" Quran 53:23 "These are nothing but names which ye have devised, ye and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire! Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!"
So had you cared to carry on, you would see that Allah exposes you making such a lie! Allah tells you that the pagans have invented these false idols, and that it is something corrupt. I will not blame you for these lies, because these are inspired by someone called Iblis (satan). Satan inspires people to make a lie against others. Thank you for bringing these up, and seeking clarification about my religion. As Muslim, I cannot lie, if I lie I can go to hell. Secondly, if I don't tell the truth, you can check out because everything in Islam is preserved 100%, in Quran and Sunnah. Which we have today as it was 1,400 years ago! See my answers above in blue.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
|
so this Owuor has even advised his followers not to go to hospital? i.am.back!!!!
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
|
AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, I'm going to respond to your last post. And please read, don't turn around and say you didn't see my response. @muriel, I responded in my post #108 here.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
|
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
|
This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
|
hamburglar wrote:This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong. Anger caused by empathy? I wonder if you also have empathy for Owuor. And for those who have your empathy, tell us about their experience.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
|
hamburglar wrote:This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong. Fear and pride run the world. You can get almost anything you want if you can make people feel secure and proud of that security.Faced with uncertainty and the unknown,it's a welcomed alternative and a powerful drug.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
|
¿ wrote:hamburglar wrote:This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong. Fear and pride run the world. You can get almost anything you want if you can make people feel secure and proud of that security.Faced with uncertainty and the unknown,it's a welcomed alternative and a powerful drug. @hamburglar, when you invited him to KNH the charlatan chickened out.He deserves to be silenced once and for all.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
|
¿ wrote:hamburglar wrote:This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong. Fear and pride run the world. You can get almost anything you want if you can make people feel secure and proud of that security.Faced with uncertainty and the unknown,it's a welcomed alternative and a powerful drug. Fear and pride rule some worlds not the world. Not all worlds are uncertain and unknown.
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
|
tycho wrote:¿ wrote:hamburglar wrote:This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong. Fear and pride run the world. You can get almost anything you want if you can make people feel secure and proud of that security.Faced with uncertainty and the unknown,it's a welcomed alternative and a powerful drug. Fear and pride rule some worlds not the world. Not all worlds are uncertain and unknown. Pain or the loss of pleasure and fear. The security of pleasure or the aversion of pain and pride. Uncertainty and certainty of both the known and the unknown. Life presents multiple opportunities to embrace courage and humility but fear and pride reign supreme in this world.I know not of the other worlds you speak of.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
|
¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:hamburglar wrote:This guy needs to be in prison. Why do the powers that be let this guy cause so much hurt amongst the naive and gullible by giving them false hopes? How do we just sit and watch this happen and feign ignorance? Don't people have a conscience? I feel really really sorry when i see religious people getting fleeced by these idiots calling themselves prophets and apostles. It actually makes me angry because i have so much empathy for these people who are being taken for a ride when the ostensible goal for these conmen is to always steal their little money. It's unbelievable to see how people who can help, take the high road as their neighbors are being taken to the cleaners. This is really bad. Surely, why do we let somebody get away with claims that he can cure HIV/AIDS? This is wrong, this guy should face prosecution. I wish i could have a meeting with him. I would call him out on his bluff. What a sociopath. Does he have a conscience? Doesn't he have a heart? Offering false hopes to people suffering form such debilitating illness. It's just wrong. Very very wrong. Fear and pride run the world. You can get almost anything you want if you can make people feel secure and proud of that security.Faced with uncertainty and the unknown,it's a welcomed alternative and a powerful drug. Fear and pride rule some worlds not the world. Not all worlds are uncertain and unknown. Pain or the loss of pleasure and fear. The security of pleasure or the aversion of pain and pride. Uncertainty and certainty of both the known and the unknown. Life presents multiple opportunities to embrace courage and humility but fear and pride reign supreme in this world.I know not of the other worlds you speak of. Not knowing about these other worlds, doesn't imply they don't exist. But probably not knowing of other worlds implies not knowing the limits of your 'this world'.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
|
Quote:Members of his Ministry of Repentance and Holiness cleaned Oginga Odinga street and adjacent roads where the prophet has booked three hotels. Top hotels including Acacia Premier, Kisumu Hotel and Imperial Express hotel are fully booked as faithful troop to the lakeside town for the three day prayer rally. The prophet is accompanied by at least 500 international guests. He is putting up at Acacia Premier presidential suite which costs at least Sh55,500 a night. However, his pastors and some faithful who accompanied him spend nights at the Kibos grounds. More than 1,200 police officers, including anti-terror experts have been deployed to Kibos grounds and the city.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...y-takes-kisumu-by-storm/
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
|
Well, well, well, Nigeria is widely reported as among the most spiritual countries in Africa, way above Kenya. No miracles forthcoming, perhaps they have no faith, OR...The struggle to prove was real, but the struggle failed. http://www.thisdaylive.c...for-miracle-in-nigeria/

|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Life
»
Prophet Owuor HIV-AIDS Healings
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|